Personally I have always considered that particular "plank" in the Communist Manifesto platform to constitute the rankest form of utopian socialism on the parts of Marx and Engels. If what is needed for the bioshpere to function and survive is some large areas with little human "footprint", as the ecologists put it, then we are a lot better off having people concentrated in certain locations, such as Manhatten Island where you choose to hang out, Louis, :-). Barkley Rosser On Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:46:30 -0500 Louis Proyect <lnp3 at panix.com> wrote:
> >Why not, Mark? If, as David Harvey argues, the built environment and the
> >modification of "nature" (which is rarely "natural," but almost always
> >humanly remade; and don't forget Adorno's dictum that the image of
> >undistorted nature originates in distortion, as its opposite) are deeply
> >social, then political ecology and political economy are deeply
> >interpenetrated - practically inseparable. We make cities and suburbs and
> >farms, and cities, suburbs, and farms make us.
> >
> >Doug
>
> What the heck is "humanly made"? Harvey's problem is that he does not see
> the creation of cities, suburbs, farms as the results of the capitalist
> system. The central preoccupation of Marx was with the absolutely
> devastating effect of the SEPARATION between city and countryside, which
> seems to matter little to urbanists like David Harvey and William Cronin.
> The gist of the disagreement between Harvey and Foster is over this precise
> question. To talk about the "ecology" of NY, Chicago, etc. as Harvey and
> Cronin do is to strip the word of all meaning. In his entire book, Harvey
> does not address this central contradiction ONCE. This is its greatest
> failing. It means that questions such as the exhaustion of the soil, misuse
> of water resources (watering lawns in Arizona), waste disposal do not get
> addressed. These are the things that are killing us. Fertilizer and
> pesticide runoff into rivers and lakes has disastrous consequences for
> marine life and causes cancer and are of ZERO concern to Harvey who views
> urban life in the breathless tones of the narrator of a World's Fair
> travelogue from the 1930s. Such tall buildings. Gosh! And indoor plumbing!
>
> The Communist Manifesto puts forward the demand:
>
> "Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual
> abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable
> distribution of the populace over the country."
>
> Louis Proyect
>
> (http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/marxism.html)
-- Rosser Jr, John Barkley rosserjb at jmu.edu