More on Japan and American 'Democracy'

Rosser Jr, John Barkley rosserjb at
Fri Jul 17 14:45:57 PDT 1998

Actually this efficiency debate has another odd component to it. There is a well-established literature from some very mainstream types that purports to show that in many sectors, Soviet firms were actually more technically efficient than their US counterparts (this is pulling aside all the social welfare costs noted by Michael Perelman). The problem on the Soviet side was technological stagnation. But this was actually part of their greater efficiency. They were not constantly introducing new machinery or techniques and so the workers got quite good at doing what they had been doing.

Barkley Rosser On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:54:55 -0400 Wojtek Sokolowski <sokol at> wrote:

> At 06:25 PM 7/17/98 +0100, Jim heartfield wrote:
> >Surely the argument of Soviet-US equivalence is blown out of the water
> >now. Leftists find it difficult to face up to the truth of the matter -
> >the Soviet economy was even less efficient that capitalism, where there
> >was at least an unconscious regulator in the market. The Soviet Union
> >lacked any meachanism for the distribution of labour in society, leading
> >to grotesque shortages, fragmentation of the national economy,
> >astonishing levels of waste. The picture of the totalitarian society
> >owes more to the fears of Hannah Arendt that it does to what was really
> >happening in the USSR, which was about as monolithic as the Ottoman
> >Empire.
> True, but I am not swayed by the inefficiency argument. The big difference
> is the ability of the firm to externalize numerous costs: present in the
> market economies and absent in the state planned economies.
> It has something to do with the firms' autonomy and pricing policy, which
> in the Soviet system was roughly based on the cost+ system; 'costmeaning
> the 'planned' cost of production, while '+' meaning various surcharges. It
> is easy to see that waste contributed to higher production costs which was
> then 'averaged' over the entire economy and paid by the buyers. Since both
> selling and buying units were state-owned, the state could not externalize
> those higher costs.
> By contrast, autonomous firms in the market system can effectively
> externalize some of their cost (like unemployment, wasre disposal, or
> mismanagement) on the public sector, and thuse maintain the facade of
> efficiency i.e. high revenue/cost ratio through dischargning certain costs.
> In other words, unlike under the central planning system, the price of the
> product does not include the full cost (including waste, social and
> environmental degradation, etc.) of its production -hence the illusion of
> greater efficiency.
> In more general terms, American prosperity can be attributed to two
> factors: enormous profits made on 2WW, and the ability to discharge certain
> costs on someone else (either the public sector or third world countries).
> But on th eindividual firm level, I do not think there were any major
> differences in efficiency between the US and x-USSR, especially if
> efficiency is measured not by accounting gimmicks, but by the level of
> activities not related to the firm's goal like busy work, bureaucracy
> needed due to the lack of standardization, managerial schmoozing and
> kindred waste.
> Regards
> WS

-- Rosser Jr, John Barkley rosserjb at

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