Actually, I have stepped back from my attack on Vandana Shiva on this particular score and have actually quarreled a little with Doug subsequently about the relevance of how she gets around. The problem with green greens is not how they personally live or conduct their business, but their political analysis. Shiva is an anti-Marxist, as is Sale. This is bad news. They are basically utopian in their approach to politics, but of a different sort than Hahnel-Albert. Their utopianism revolves around the notion of bioregionalist or subsistence farming communities that disavow industrialism. When the forces of capital accumulation conspire to overwhelm every pastoral social institution, it seems foolish to prescribe pastoralism as a solution. How she gets around or what restaurants Kirkpatrick Sale dines at seems immaterial in the context of the broader political issues.