> >> Sounds like a privileged white guy
> > talking.
>
> Sounds ad hominem to me.
See below.
> > I don't think demeaning the rights and struggles of others is very
> > effective either. Nader was downright snide and sneering in his
> > dismissal. This was not the only issue he took this attitude towards.
>
> I haven't demeaned anyone, including those like
> yourself who cannot argue without reference to the
> other person, rather than his/her ideas.
I was referring to Nader, not you. What do think dismissing queer civil rights as "gonadal" politics is meant to do, celebrate it? C'mon, Max, what was it supposed to connote?
> I doubt Nader did either, though I wasn't there.
> A view about what's important and what is less
> important is not the same as demeaning
> persons who hold a contrary view. Unfortunately
> people take any effort at prioritization personally.
> That's ID politics in a nutshell.
I read the transcript of the press conference, perhaps I still have it around someplace. He was dismissive and condescending.
> I don't know what other issues you're referring to.
> Nader's long suit is not personability.
Just about anything that wasn't in his "manifesto" or whatever he called it. I'm sorry, but I just think if you're going to make a run for the presidency, you should think through more than just your pet issues.
> > Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of identify politics either, but
> > ENDA was hardly just more "gonadal politics". People should have the
> > right to work w/o their bedroom habits inspected.
>
> Don't they already, with the exception of the US Armed
> Forces?
Are yoy joking? You can be fired from any job for being queer at anytime and you have no recourse under civil rights law. Now there are some "progressive" companies that in the interest of competing for employees have enlightened policies, but those are mostly tech companies top heavy with the privileged classes anyway. So maybe we should just let the Fabulous Free Market take care of protecting civil rights -- they're currently doing a better job than the courts (which are doing nothing).
> Whitefolks
Max, I was no talking about you, I was talking about St. Ralph.
White, educated, and quite privileged myself,
-j
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