Jobs and gender (was: Gender, Race, and Publishing on the Left)

MScoleman at MScoleman at
Thu Jun 18 20:21:45 PDT 1998

In a message dated 98-06-18 12:30:00 EDT, you write: Hi Wojtek;

Wojtek: << am not disputing these facts. All I am saying is that driving out women

out of blue collar jobs is not about sex but about work.>> Maggie: we are agreed, sexual harrassment is about power, not sex Wojtek:

>>Some of the

methods used to that end may fit defintion 2 above, if directed at females,

but how about intimidation directed at males to accomplish the same end? >> Maggie: Certainly, but the kinds of intimidation used on males is different than the kinds used on females. There are also racial differences in intimidation -- the racist intimidation used against an African American male will be different than than used against an Asian male. But, since this topic is gender........ I don't dispute the validity of other types of intimidation at all.


>>I think what explains this particular kind of blue collar behaviour is not

'sexism' supposedly inherent in the working class, but job insecurity, or

rather lacks of access to formal-institutional channels of controlling the

workplace. I bet you that if the unions had a genuine say in defining

importants aspects of work (qualifications, schedules, pay, workload, etc.)

the incidence of these supposedly 'sexist' incidents would decrease quite

noticeably. >> Maggie: I think that you are idealizing the reality of unions here. In fact, some unions have a tremendous amount of control over the workplace and elso exercise tremendous gender and racial oppression against their own members. At least that has been my experience as a union member for 20 yrs. Also, if working class power was enough to eradicate sexist behavior (and racist behavior) then socialist countries would have made more progress in these areas. As has been point out on this list before, socialist countries don't have a stellar track record of breaking down gender barriers either.

cheers, maggie

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