Michael
At 10:18 AM 5/7/98 +0100, Jim heartfield wrote:
>In message <2.2.16.19980506181909.129f959a at pop.igc.org>, Michael
>Eisenscher <meisenscher at igc.apc.org> writes
>>I am not British and have not been to England, but I have been in touch with
>>and part of the solidarity struggle on behalf of the Liverpool Dockers.
>>Those whom I have met touring here in the States have certainly demonstrated
>>more than a little class consciousness. It seems improbable to me that they
>>would have been able to maintain their struggle for over two years without
>>many of them having a pretty keen sense of class, as well as being able to
>>distinguish working class interests from the way some of their union's
>>national leaders sought to relate to the employers.
>Tragically, it is the Liverpool dockers' relative isolation from the
>actually existing labour movement in England that helped them talk
>themselves into a corner. After more than a year on strike, they never
>succeeded in getting practical solidarity at home, such as would further
>their cause. Their intransigence arose from their isolation. Dockworkers
>demonstrations were overshadowed by such proletarian causes as Lady
>Diana's Funeral, a 350 000 strong demonstration in favour of fox-
>hunting, and militant attacks on police stations by anti-paedophile
>protestors. These facts might not be pleasant reading for socialists,
>but socialism was never advanced by refusing to face up to the facts.
>
>In message <v03102804b176ba519276@[128.146.227.163]>, Yoshie Furuhashi
><furuhashi.1 at osu.edu> writes
>>I am not sure if our resident 'pro-growth' marxist Jim Heartfield is aware
>>of this, but in the US, auto-centered transportation policy may be causing
>>a problem for industries as well. Has Jim read about the freight problems
>>causing lots of 'lost,' mixed-up, or delayed cargo deliveries? Isn't there
>>a need for investment in efficient non-auto transportation even in Jim's
>>own framework of thinking?
>Yes, of course. I'm all for development of alternate transport. And I
>support Barkley Rosser's call for a more efficient car, too. But you
>should listen to yourself. It's not the lorries that lose the freight.
>As a frequent user of Britain's over-priced railway system, I have spent
>too many hours waiting for the track to be cleared to think that
>railways = efficiency. No kidding: a two and a half hour journey to
>Manchester is regularly extended to four hours.
>--
>Jim heartfield
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