The Bourgeois Right to Bear Arms/ To Fascistic Racist

Michael Hoover hoov at freenet.tlh.fl.us
Wed Apr 21 15:20:54 PDT 1999



> freedom of speech is not an absolute right. In the very first Supreme
Court case on the freedom of speech, Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes' most famous words in his decision are an effort to carve out and exception to First Amendment protection: "Crying fire falsely in a crowded theatre." He gives this example to show that freedom of speech is not absolute. Then in the case itself he finds another exception to freedom of speech for "clear and present danger". The result is he upholds the conviction of a socialist opponent to WW I (Schenck, I think), who opposed it because it was a capitalist war against the interest of the workers who were doing the dying in it.
> Charles Brown

*Schenk v US* (1919)...Charles Schenk, a member of the Socialist Party, had distributed flyers calling for abolishing the draft and arguing that the working class was dying in WW1 for Wall Street...

all analogies being suspect, Justice Holmes' non-parallel fallacy is a whopper...first, airing opposition political views is hardly similar to yelling fire in a crowded theatre, but even if it were, Schenk wasn't doing so falsely, after all, there was a war (fire) going on...if you can't speak out against war when it is happening, then what good is freedom of speech in this matter?...

Holmes made a similar argument in *Debs v US* (1919)...having protected the interests of the ruling class from such "clear and present danger" during wartime, he could return to being a Court liberal, which is how he is generally remembered...Michael Hoover



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