Thatcher quote and competitive sports

Jim heartfield jim at
Thu Apr 29 18:11:49 PDT 1999

In message <3728D0FD.80F5CD0C at>, S Pawlett <epawlett at> writes
>Yeah, the Thatcher quote is absurd. "There is no such thing as society, there
>only individuals and their families". If you are going to allow for families
>not society?

As Thatcher quotes go, I rather like this one about Tony Blair:

"I'm worried about that young man, he's getting awfully bossy" ! (in Peter Hennessy, the Blair Centre, Public Management Foundation, p 7)

The quote about 'no such thing as society' is supposed to come from David Hume (according to Samuel Brittan).

Thatcher is in the papers today, because 'acid tongued' ex-Tory minister George Walden (a fan of LM magazine...) has written that she was generally drunk all the time since leaving office.


In message <372727EA.4DF4 at>, kayak3 <kayak3 at> writes
>I can agree with this. Alfie Kohn's boodk "No Compitition" makes a good
>argument that competitive sports are used in our society to enforce the
>notion that their are winners and losers.

I would have said that competitive sports are a good thing not a bad thing. A spirit of competition doesn't have to mean capitalism. The Soviets' Chess success always inspired me, as did Ethiopia's runners, or Cuba's Olympic boxers.

Isn't this a rather insipid version of socialism where we all go soft on each other for fear of demanding too much? Somehow co-operation alone seems to worthy to be true as a motive for achievement. Even a socialist society could gain from some healthy pressure.

-- Jim heartfield

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