Anarchism / Marxism debates

Mr P.A. Van Heusden pvanheus at
Fri Aug 20 01:28:59 PDT 1999

On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Charles Brown wrote:
> Charles: "Currently" in the historical sense is a lot longer period of
> time than in the common sense. Currently historically we are in an epoch
> in which real humans have moved very much towards socialism. At the
> height of the first thrust toward socialism, one-third of the world's
> population and a larger portion of the land mass made the first giant
> strides toward socialism. There has been a recent setback ,but a huge
> country , China, still considers itself to be building socialism.

<Sigh> I'm sorry Charles, but if you seriously consider what Mao did in China as part of building socialism, then the distance between the two of us is too wide to talk across. In China Mao did what Stalin did in Russia in the 1930's - build a new kind of class society, with the seeds of the capitalist class emerging from layers within the (already degenerate) Chinese Communist Party.

What exists in China today is a hideous form of State Capitalism.

I'm with Dunayevskaya on this one - Marxism means freedom, or it means nothing. (For a more detailed explanation, see (not entirely flawless, but still pretty good) her Marxism and Freedom)

Peter -- Peter van Heusden : pvanheus at : PGP key available 'The demand to give up illusions about the existing state of affairs is the demand to give up a state of affairs which needs illusions.' - Karl Marx

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