replies to Rakesh, Wojtek, Charles, Chris Anarchism / Marxism debates

Rakesh Bhandari bhandari at phoenix.Princeton.EDU
Fri Aug 20 06:58:24 PDT 1999


Jim, I appreciate your insistence that we must tell the truth about capitalism: the stagnation in real wages in the OECD, the having to run harder on the treadmill to stay in place, intractable unemployment throughout Europe, the lost decade + in Latin America and Africa, the compression of real wages in Mexico, the barbaric descent of Russia, the long stagnation in Japan (now only getting a little boost from big deficit spending), the permanence of horrifying poverty among at least the bottom 1/3 of the population in Asia, the looming depression in China the collapse of the lone success story of miracle NICS (even renewed growth promises little benefits for the working class in the future, this being the point of 'restructruring'), the persistence of war and destruction (Iraq, the Balkans).

To all this you say that life expectancy is improving, yet this is an average (you seem to have forgotten the explosion in all kinds of inter and intra national inequalities over the last 20 years). You refuse to recognize the impacts structural adjustment programs have had on the infant mortality of the poor throughout the world. In the case of the US the reduction in poverty among the elderly which has doubtless improved life expectancy has been accompanied by the growth of poverty among children. And you seem unconcerned with the resurgence of communicable diseases: cholera, malaria, yellow fever

you could not
>argue that no progress took place under capitalism. (If you disagree
>with that you should say so.)

The point is that capitalism reverses the progress that it has indeed made possible--it undermines the optimism of its Golden Ages and Bandung eras (and let us remember the destruction of capital it required to allow that bout of optimism). If you think it can continue to ensure progress, though not at the optimal rate and with a few 'temporary' setbacks, then you should say that you have removed any rational warrant for revolutionary Marxism.

Jim, just admit that you have thrown in the towel. Right ideologues are a bunch of idiots. Your star would rise quickly at the Manhattan or American Enterprise Inst. Why run a rinky dink magazine when you could have the National Review or the American Spectator?


>But I also said that capitalism combined
>destructive with creative aspects, that capitalism restrained the
>development of the forces of production (and hence of human
>development).

The creative aspects include the concentration of drug innovation on high end users (see Ken Silverstein), useless r&d into copy cats and killer seeds, semiconductor based guidance systems for weapons, the use of nc tools to concentrate all skills among management, etc.

And I think this is silly:


>You load onto scientists a responsibility that we have failed.
>Scientists are not responsible for the way that society is organised.
>But those of us who see our role as the betterment of society are. It
>was out failure to provide a better solution than the existing one that
>left science in the hands of imperialism.

Are scientists not to be blamed if they agree to work on atomic weapons, biological warfare? Can't scientists be greedy if they all rush into petroleum engineering instead of ecological biology? Can scientists be part of the problem or are they some kind of holy men in your world view?

Yours, Rakesh



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