From: "Eric Beck" <rayrena at mail.accesshub.net> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 99 13:11:54 -0400
>Of course, I seriously think the Chinese >and Mao Tse-tung have made a much
>more important contributions to
>bringing real socialism into the world
>than the Marxist-Humanists and
>Dunayevskaya, or the utopians we have >been discussing on this thread.
You got a turd in your pocket, Charles? Seems to me that it's been primarily you who's been excoriating the "utopians" and "humanists," which of course is all well and good, but I think it would be helpful if you could at least indicate, in some small, who you are talking about when you use that label, and what ideas you are criticizing. It might be helpful also if you dropped the extreme dogma, just for a few seconds. I have this image of you typing your messages, then scurrying to your Marx Concordance to reassure yourself that you didn't violate the Orthodoxy in any way.
Sorry to be all pissy and advisory. But this could be a good discussion, only between your unexplained (and, I think, confused) conflation of the non-Marxist left with head-in-the-clouds utopianism and rugged-individualism, and your belief in the absolute infallibility of every swipe of Marx's plume, I can't find a point of entry into it.