I don't just believe I am a Marxist. I am one. And anyway you certainly wouldn't be a good judge of that. And God can't help you with all that disgraceful stuff you keep saying.
CB
>>> Russell Grinker <grinker at mweb.co.za> 12/09/99 12:52PM >>>
Wow Charles Brown certainly cooks up some pretty zany stuff. First I object
to someone's gutter-level debating style. Then I point out that there just
might be a few problems with "American" workers dumping foreign steel into a
harbour as part of the Seattle WTO events. This apparently marks me out as
a "Tory" and a (British) "chauvinist" to boot. And all this from someone
who apparently believes he's a Marxist! If this kind of hysterical tirade
is what passes for Marxist discourse in the US today then god help us!
R
-----Original Message----- From: Charles Brown <CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us> To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com> Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 5:39 PM Subject: Re: LM, doing the Virginia Postrel thing
>The LM line in general sounds rightwing or Tory to me, including the LM
article on Seattle. And the a major point of origin of modern chauvinism is
Britain. And the American Boston Tea Party marked a militant protest
against British imperialism and chauvinism , so a Tory like you would know
about "chauvinism" more than I would. It sounds nonsensical for you to be
chastising me about chavinism. You are the one who doesn't understand
chauvinsim and racism, has a chauvinist and racist political line.
>
>I would call something you say racist , if it were racist. And I should
,of course. Another rightwing line that LM has is discouraging using or
terming many things as "racist". This is a racist position itself. This is
one of the racists' main positions today. In other words, LM has a generally
racist line on the use of the term "racist". We need more calling out of
racism as racist, not less as you imply., It is not some political error to
frequently use the term "racist", as you think. The political error and
racist position is to speak as you do below,as if people are being called
racist too much. Au contraire, my chauvinist "leftist".
>
>This is exactly what my previous post means. It is not disagreeing with me
per se that caused my comment, but the politically incorrect substance of
your positions on Seattle that I very appropriately label "Tory" and imply
is chauvinist.
>
>CB
>
>>>> Russell Grinker <grinker at mweb.co.za> 12/09/99 12:54AM >>>
>Charles
>
>What exactly is this supposed to mean? If I disagree with you is it the
>done thing in your circles to call you a Republican or even a racist?
>
>R
>
>
>>A bunch of ye ole Tories would know, wouldn't ye ?
>>
>>CB
>>
>>>>> Russell Grinker <grinker at mweb.co.za> 12/07/99 01:03PM >>>
>>No Charles, the logic was good ol' American chauvinist protectionism.
>>
>>Russell
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Charles Brown <CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us>
>>To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com>
>>Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 6:30 PM
>>Subject: RE: LM, doing the Virginia Postrel thing
>>
>>
>>>Indeed, a Boston Tea Party OF A NEW TYPE. When capitalists destroy
>>property it is called "creative destruction". When steelworkers and
>>anarchists or Indians in Potlatch destroy property it is called
"Ludditism"
>>and "violence" and fetishism. Why did the Americans in Boston Harbor
>>dressup like Indians ?
>>>
>>>The logic of this debate was practical-critical activity.
>>>
>>>CB
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Max Sawicky <sawicky at epinet.org> 12/07/99 08:35AM >>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>Max Sawicky wrote:
>>>>Well wasn't this article a piece of shit.
>>>>Where's Heartfield these days?
>>>
>>>Yes, now that you Americans have had your 1905, logical debate is
>>apparently
>>>no longer required and abuse will suffice. Maybe Max can give a bit of
>>>background on who organised the updated Boston Tea Party during which
>>>foreign steel was dumped into a harbour during the WTO events. LBOers
may
>>>have missed this in their excitement over all the other activity in
>>Seattle.
>>>
>>>Russell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>Indeed for some things logical debate is not required.
>>>
>>>I don't know about the tea party, but if it was the
>>>steelworkers it sounds o.k. to me.
>>>
>>>mbs
>>>
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