On Sun, 7 Feb 1999 17:15:16 EST Apsken at aol.com writes:
>It is bad enough that the bourgeoisie has been able to undo so many of
our
>victories, but if this discussion can be regarded among Marxists as
open, then
>I would be driven reluctantly to agree with Carrol that the left no
longer
>exists as a meaningful force, and that our legacy has been squandered.
Hah! In one sentence, you say that Marxists unconditionally support bourgeois democratic rights, and then in another, you actually come out AGAINST open discussion of an issue like abortion. But then, you are the same fellow who accused Chomsky of lending legitimacy to fascists, right?
Speech is free, as long as *you* agree with it, huh?
>Then we have Alex again, this time saying that he wants a Marxist
>justification for supporting democratic and human rights rather than a
>bourgeois and liberal one. For shame!
Yes, for shame that I actually want to have *reasons* for holding certain beliefs, rather than a priori grounds!
>Beyond his reluctance to embrace democratic rights, it is exceptionally
sad
>that Alex has such contempt for the experience of struggle, and the
lessons
>one might hope he could draw from it. That too is a rerun from previous
LBO
>debates.
Pretty good strawman you've constructed there. I've got nothing against real struggle, but I'm simply not impressed by meaningless "activism." Tell you what, Ken baby, you tell me what groups are worth my support in the Central Virginia area (preferably in Lynchburg or thereabouts), and I'll get back to you.
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