Immortality and Barbaric Racial Utopias

rc-am rcollins at netlink.com.au
Mon Feb 22 19:37:09 PST 1999


gee carrol, thanks so much for the astute commentary. next time you might want to think about what point-scoring means. it isn't making generalisations, though I would think the content and context of my remarks have been referenced time and again: One Nation and the responses to it; and even my generalisations below were hardly extreme.

but hey, why exactly was it necessary for you to soothe your remarks to louis? and why do you need a put down in my direction to do this? then again, I guess male bonding always presumes the negation of someone, usually female.

angela

carrol wrote in reply to the below:

"For an extreme example of how this practice of attacking categories unattached to proper names creates nonsense. On one of these lists a week or so ago some idiot created two categories, one a category of poor whites all of whom were assumed to be racist slobs, and a category of "elitists," all of whom were said to go around attacking racist slobs for being racist slobs and thus offending poor whites. That is not an accurate summary of the poster's position, but it is a summary that the poster left him/herself open to by this ridiculous form of empty point-scoring rhetoric."


>Yoshie also wrote:
>
>>Since anti-immigrant sentiments are not 'rational,' especially in
>that
>>contradictory ideas (immigrants take away jobs/immigrants are
>spongers)
>>seem to coexist in ideology without discrediting each other (and
they
>are
>>therefore immune to rational refutations), how do we fight back?

i had written:


>if i thought i knew for sure the answer i could spend my time
>complaining about the failure of others to recognise my
>ominiscience.... but some thoughts anyway.
>
>in relation your previous comments, it may well be that the poor,
>especially poor black and latinos, are highly ambivalent toward
>anti-immigrant politics, but i would say that insofar as an important
>part of leftist and marxist politics is addressing those things which
>divide us, then that too is a part of any anti-racist practice. that
>though is an organisational question that goes to struggles over the
>determination of aims, etc. that anti-racist campaigns/orgs are
>still split along the axis of immigration makes this an important
area
>of struggle.
>
>a similar approach would apply to poor whites. and here, I would
>think the aim might be to refuse a nominally anti-racist politics
>which actually makes anti-racist discourse into another occasion for
>elitist complaints about the vulgarity of the masses, converting
>anti-racist sentiment into a technique of the state, a call for
better
>forms of control and management - or at least providing the middle
>class with an alibi for greater forms of social control. here of
>course, a lot of attention needs to be given to the place of desire
in
>the constitution of politics, but not in terms of the puritanical PC
>injunction to renounce enjoyment as the founding gesture of political
>conscience.
>
>but there is another kind of racism that needs to be dealt with:
>liberal racism which is the least prone to making open declarations
of
>inferiority, more adept at presenting racist 'solutions' as the
>necessary or only available anti-racist politics, like stopping
>immigration because it is immigrants who cause racism, or making
>immigrants liable for the contradictions of liberalism. if anything,
>recent experiences in auustralia have made me think it is important
to
>refuse a kind of 'united front against racism' which includes these
>kinds of racists and gives them cover.
>
>in any case, I would think that the left needs to reassess its own
>implicit or otherwise commitment to nationalist solutions to
>'globalisation', calls for protectionism, for instance. the problem
>with globalisation is not that it really is global, but that the
>continuing force of national boundaries in labour laws and labour
>movement makes for easy pickings. at the shop floor, I would also
say
>that calls for saving jobs need to be replaced with calls for a
>betterment of wages and conditions and a global-industry linkage of
>such struggles. the former divides, and there is little indication
>that it is successful in any case; whilst the latter unites - and,
>whilst it too might not meet with success, it does refigure the
>identity of those struggling without recourse to racist suppositions.
>
>it's a big issue, and only touched on.
>
>angela
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