there's no such thing as positivism

JKSCHW at aol.com JKSCHW at aol.com
Sat Jan 2 08:54:47 PST 1999


In a message dated 98-12-29 12:53:50 EST, you write:

<< care to suggest any critics of positivism

who criticise it from a position which uphold relativism?

JKS: There's the whole "old" school of social constructivists about science--Kuhn, Feyerabend, Bloor & Barnes, etc. The new science studies people in the main doi this as well.

YOU: since you only refer in

the following to adorno et al, i would think - if you are referring to them - then

you cant have actually read them at all. i don't remember any marxist critics of

objectivism arguing for relativism or indeed that the problem with the very idea of

'scientific objectivity' is that it has a commitment to facticity. >>

Well, Gramsci for one, who is clearly a Rortian consensualists about scientific objectivity. Lukacs isa short of Hegelian idealist witha more complex view. Althusser is no defender of ordinary science for all his talk of scientificity. He seems to think that science is generated entirely out of theory. Sartre is likewise ana ntiobjectivists. The Frankfurt school is pretrty much all enemies of objectivity. So, will the main light of the Western Marxists tradition do as examples of the thing you deny exists?

--jks



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