>>>> Max Sawicky <sawicky at epinet.org> 06/01/99 12:48PM >>>
>. . . Louis is too ornery and Doug is too principled. And those
>are
>good things. >
>> CB: These are false innuendos about the relationship between
>facts and revolution. Reality and the facts are radical. The
>status quo is preserved by falsehoods, non-facts. >
>My statement went to the relationship between revolutionaries and
>facts, not to revolution per se. And then only to certain
>revolutionaries. My evidence is LP (and others) continuous
>harvesting of one-sided, highly impeachable information re: the
>Balkans. No objective-minded person can fail to see this,
>whatever their stance on the bombing.
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>CB: "No objective person " is very overbroad and inaccurate because of that. It is also self-serving and biased.
>I, an objective person , do not agree with you that Louis's discussion of that conflict are flawed signficantly in the way you say.
>Your non-partisan ,alleged objectivity is an illusion.
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>> Nor do individual thinkers have some general advantage over
>collectives, such as hard-line communist cadre , in stubborness,
>principledness or stubborn adherence to principle. Max offers no
>facts to support his
>assertion of a self-congratulatory , academic stereotype. >
>Collectives is a little vague; we've got some coop natural foods
>stores down here. They could be construed as collectives but
>would not fall under the scope of my statement. Real Communist
>cadre groups are a whole different matter.
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>CB: Yes, speaking overbroadly, you sort of contrasted Doug Henwood and Louis Proyect , even though they are opponents right now, as at least individuals unlike some non-individual or non-indivdualist in a hard-line communist party as cadre. Even Louis is better than that, "saith" Max. to paraphrase your earlier post.
>There are a lot of really existing natural food individualists and other individuals too. So the fact that collectivity is a form of organization in other than hard line communist parties (with cadre) is not that clever of a joke, jokster Max. "Two heads are better than one" is everywhere, like the ghost of communism.
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> The plain fact is
>that if you are in such a group, bullshit is one of the daily
>dietary requirements, and adherence to principle is carefully
>rationed.
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>CB: But bullshit as part of the daily diet is clearly part of academic, liberal intellectual thought, n'est-ce pas ? And opportunism is rife among those throwing stones at the bullshitting, unprincipled communist party , hardcore, cadre, zealots, pretty much.
>Max:
>This has nothing to do with academics or
>non-academics, nor with any claim to principle by myself.
>You can't prove something like this. You can either live it or
>read about it. Reading is a lot easier. I recommend "Invisible
>Man" by Ralph Ellison. Or Hemingway on the Spanish civil war.
>And if you haven't lived it and don't believe what you read, you
>wouldn't know.
>Peace and power to the People, brother,
>Charles Brown