> but if you believe them, hey, Clinton did not have sex with
>Monica either.
hilarity, huh? but then, ian suggested an article about testosterone and male aggression which suggested that a real erection is one that could achieve vaginal penetration. funny that everyone ha ha laughs at clinton when, in fact, all kinds of sex frequency surveys reveal that hets, in fact, very often do define sex as vaginal penetration. indeed, the implicit assumption is that real sex is that in which someone has an orgasm. i'll bet any number of folks on this list, were they asked how many times they had sex in the past week, wouldn't define sex as fooling around on the sofa in front of ally mcbeal before interrupted by a phone call. i mean honestly, think about it: is it sex if no one comes? is it sex if only one person comes? finally, the idea that vaginal penetration is "real sex" is thrown about all the time, many a teenage girl will tell you she's a virgin even though she's done everything else imaginable. so you know, funny ha ha about clinton using the same criterion.
“touch yourself and you will know that i exist.” ~luce irigaray