The real problem with this Lott/Landes drivel is that it does not make a proper comparison. How about comparing the US (or the states in the US with concealed gun laws) with the rest of the world? Guess who has a whole lot more deaths from guns, and I mean a whole lot more! Barkley Rosser -----Original Message----- From: jf noonan <jfn1 at msc.com> To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com> Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 11:39 AM Subject: Re: guns prevent violence!
>On Tue, 4 May 1999, Doug Henwood wrote:
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>> A choice bit from this paper is footnote 10:
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>> "While the recent rash of public school shootings during the 1997-98
school
>> [sic] took place after the period of our study, these incidents raise
>> questions about the unintentional consequences of laws. The five public
>> school shootings took place after a 1995 federal law banned guns
(including
>> permitted concealed handguns) within a thousand feet of a school.
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>A law that was never emforced and was struck down by the SC as an
>abuse of federal power under the commerce clause.
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>The
>> possibility exists that attempts to outlaw guns from schools, no matter
how
>> well meaning, may have produced perverse effects. It is interesting to
note
>> that during the 1977 to 1995 period, 15 shootings took place in schools
in
>> states without right-to-carry laws and only one took place in a state
with
>> this type of law. There were 19 deaths and 97 injuries in states without
>> the law, while there was one death and two injuries in states with the
law."
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>> Doug
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>> "Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry
>> Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law
>> Enforcement"
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>> BY: JOHN R. LOTT, JR.
>> University of Chicago
>> WILLIAM M. LANDES
>> University of Chicago Law School
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>> Document: Available from the SSRN Electronic Paper Collection:
>> http://papers.ssrn.com/paper.taf?abstract_id=161637
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>> Paper ID: University of Chicago Law School, John M. Olin Law &
>> Economics Working Paper No. 73
>> Date: April 1999
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>> Contact: JOHN R. LOTT, JR.
>> Email: Mailto:john_lott at law.uchicago.edu
>> Postal: University of Chicago
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>> Chicago, IL 60637 USA
>> Phone: (773)702-0424
>> Fax: (773)702-0730
>> Co-Auth: WILLIAM M. LANDES
>> Email: Mailto:william_landes at law.uchicago.edu
>> Postal: University of Chicago Law School
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>> Chicago, IL 60637 USA
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>> ABSTRACT:
>> Few events obtain the same instant worldwide news coverage as
>> multiple victim public shootings. These crimes allow us to study
>> the alternative methods used to kill a large number of people
>> (e.g., shootings versus bombings), marginal deterrence and the
>> severity of the crime, substitutability of penalties, private
>> versus public methods of deterrence and incapacitation, and
>> whether attacks produce "copycats." Yet, economists have not
>> studied this phenomenon. Our results are surprising and
>> dramatic. While arrest or conviction rates and the death penalty
>> reduce "normal" murder rates, our results find that the only
>> policy factor to influence multiple victim public shootings is
>> the passage of concealed handgun laws. We explain why public
>> shootings are more sensitive than other violent crimes to
>> concealed handguns, why the laws reduce both the number of
>> shootings as well as their severity, and why other penalties
>> like executions have differential deterrent effects depending
>> upon the type of murder.
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