-----Original Message----- From: Craven, Jim <jcraven at clark.edu> To: 'rosserjb at jmu.edu' <rosserjb at jmu.edu> Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 4:54 PM Subject: RE: [PEN-L:6594] Re: Re: china vs. nato
>Barkley,
>
>I just finished one-and-a-half hours of three-hours being interviewed (on
>genocide and the political economy of Indian country) by Mike Levine (see
>Expert Witness Show on WBAI New York) and on the show Mike, 26 years deep
>undercover in DEA and three other federal agencies and who maintains
>contacts with friends and whistleblowers in the US intelligence agencies.
>revealed that he was told by someone deep inside that the Serbs had a
double
>agent in CIA, that they sacrified some people and targets to establish a
>fides with CIA by giving good targets, that CIA was perplexed about how
>Serbs were evacuating some targets minutes before being hit, and finally,
>this supposed agent told CIA that this target had to be hit immediately as
>it was presently a staging and logistics center for the 3rd Army thus
making
>the vetting of the target info more dfficult.
>
>If this is true, in terms of causing some chaos and real problems for the
>US, the Chinese embassy would probably be the best choice for sticking it
to
>the US.
>
>You can put this out on pen-l.
>
>Jim
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. [mailto:rosserjb at jmu.edu]
>Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 12:11 PM
>To: jcraven at clark.edu
>Subject: [PEN-L:6594] Re: Re: china vs. nato
>
>
>Henry,
> My Russian wife believes that it was an
>intelligence coup by the Yugoslavs, that they
>have an agent in the CIA who fed the error to
>the mapmakers to get the Chinese angry at
>the US (which obviously has happened).
> Actually I think that is more likely than
>the idea that there is a secret anti-Chinese group
>that consciously did it to just out to stir things up
>or that the administration did it to "punish China"
>for nuclear spying. This is clearly a major embarrassment.
> It still looks like the leading candidate is just
>plain incompetence. After all, there have been what,
>7000+ bombing sorties by now? (or is it 15,000?)
>I don't think that they are being all that careful to double check
>the coordinates on all of those, despite the reported "layers
>of review." The whole bombing campaign stinks and
>everybody knows that there is going to be "collateral
>damage," a euphemism for something that is unacceptable.
>But how to save the perpetrators' faces so that they stop?
>Barkley Rosser
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Henry C.K. Liu <hliu at mindspring.com>
>To: pen-l at galaxy.csuchico.edu <pen-l at galaxy.csuchico.edu>
>Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 11:18 AM
>Subject: [PEN-L:6579] Re: china vs. nato
>
>
>>It may not be that simple. I suggest that just like Watergate, or the
>>Zimmermann telegram over Mexico, the origin of the "mistake" was very
>>complex, having to do with forces within the US government wanting to
>>torpedo Clinton's China policy. It is credible that the White
>>House/National Security Council/State Department/Pentagon were all
>>officially "innocent" albeit incompetent. But the whole affair smelled
>>like domestic political terrorism at work, using China as a conduit,
>>aiming at several birds with one stone: US/China relations, stalling peace
>>processes in Kosovo until after the next US election, pushing China/Russia
>>alliance to reinforce the need for NATO, etc., etc.
>>And it has succeeded spectacularly.
>>The global geo-political landscape is as much in ruins as the town is
>>Kosovo.
>>
>>Henry C.K. Liu
>>
>>Michael Perelman wrote:
>>
>>> It seems that China is angry because the highly touted CIA cannot read
>>> street maps, which clearly show the Chinese embassy, while the US is
>>> angry because China has been able to discover top secret information.
>>> Does anybody else find this imbalance curious?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michael Perelman
>>> Economics Department
>>> California State University
>>> Chico, CA 95929
>>>
>>> Tel. 530-898-5321
>>> E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
>>
>>
>