>passing the soapbox
Ah, first the deadline for turning the grades in, now your nagging....
>say, where you hiding that 'working class has more agency' than we
>typically think posturing you were doing only last week? i don't want to
>sound fresh, but i'd like to have a peek under your petticoats, wojtek.
>you *must* be hiding it somewhere because now it appears that they are a
>mindless herd, a bunch of cultural dopes.....
kelley how could you even for a moment think that I had working class in mind writing that passage. True, I did not express that precisely - I was talking about the nation instead of its middle class, and that is my fault.
But generally I think that working class is much more resistant to media/government spin than the schmoozing class - there are several good theoretical reasons for that and some anecdotal evidence as well.
>not voting, not acting, not protesting IS a form of voting, acting,
>protesting. it's flipping the finger at everyone, fuck it. so, like eric,
>i agree that it really doesn't get 'the left' or 'lefties'--whatever your
>fave appellation--very far to dismiss people so quickly. your attitude
>above is well-entrenched among the left wojtek. it exists in the tension
>with and yet, curiously, operates in tandem with the valorization of the
>heroic working class--a quite comfy relationship i might add. it is
>something that 'the marxist left' needs to come to terms with if it every
>truly wants to form some sort of broad-based working-class social movement.
ok ok, but flipping the finger at everyone does not change a damn thing. people who call themselves the government do not go away just because people flip fingers at them; perhaps this resignation and private flipping finger is preciseley the reaction that the ruling class wants. but it is also true that i do not see how that can be changed, id donot believe that going into the streets will accomplish anything - because it will be erased from our televised collective consciousness, or perhaps because people who call themselves the government do not need democratic pretences anymore, they can rule by fiat, media spin and corporate money alone without any pretence of legitimacy. i admit, powerlessness is frustrating, is all we can do is cursing at each other?
as to your complaint about the comfy relationship with the working class - kelley, sweetheart, it does not concern me (said the lame when a dog bit his prosthetic). i do not 'valorize' the working class as heroic, i simply think theyt have not been brainwashed with the same amount of spin aka 'education' as the schmoozing class; call an advantage of relative backwardness if you will.
>typically think posturing you were doing only last week? i don't want to
>sound fresh, but i'd like to have a peek under your petticoats, wojtek.
ha, come and see - you might be surprised what you find ;-)
wojtek
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