Ooooops! That should have been "in 1995." Barkley Rosser -----Original Message----- From: J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. <rosserjb at jmu.edu> To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com> Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 1:18 PM Subject: Re: British TV jury finds against Nato
>Chris,
> Since you are so insistent on applying the
>charge of genocide against Milosevic based
>on his forced deportation of hundreds of thousands
>of Albanians (which I have denounced with such
>vigor that I have been told to shut up about it over
>on pen-l), then would you support a similar charge
>against Croatian president Franjo Tudjman who
>ordered and enforced the nearly complete deportation
>of ethnic Serbs from the Croatian provinces of Krajina
>and Slavonia in 1990? We are talking about in the
>neighborhood of 300,000 people.
>Barkley Rosser
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Burford <cburford at gn.apc.org>
>To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com>
>Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 7:01 PM
>Subject: Re: British TV jury finds against Nato
>
>
>>At 19:49 23/05/99 -0400, you wrote:
>>>NATO is probably guilty of violating the UN Convention on the Prevention
>>and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide by its mass murder of Serbian
>>people, who are members of a national group.
>>>
>>>Charles Brown
>>>
>>>>>> Chris Burford <cburford at gn.apc.org> 05/23/99 06:45PM >>>
>>>At 21:00 23/05/99 +0100, you wrote:
>>
>>>And indeed NATO is guilty as charged in the indictment above.
>>
>>>But Serbia is guilty of contravening international standards against
>>genocide.
>>
>>
>>I think I must try to make a line of demarcation with Charles here. All
>>wars are barbaric and tend to involve atrocities. In principle we should
be
>>against wars, and we should be particularly vigilant against wars in which
>>our own ruling class is probably trying to further its own interests.
>>
>>However, deaths through war are not genocide. I agree that a special case
>>could be made against cluster bombs, (as can also be made against the
mines
>>that the Serbs are sowing over the Kosovars homeland), and it probably
>>should. But NATO's aim is not to kill civilians which clearly technically
>>it could have done very easily in large numbers.
>>
>>The charge of genocide of the Albanian Kosovars (which may come back to
>>haunt Milosevic sometime when he flies to London for medical treatment in
>>the next millenium when he thinks he is entitled to a graceful old age) is
>>based on partial definitions which we could argue about. But they include
>>things like forced depopulation of a large part if not all of an ethnic
>>community, and actions against a large demographic section of that
>>community, like 200,000 men probably between the ages of 16 and 56 say.
>>
>>No doubt Charles is right that cases under different headings could be
>>lodged with international courts, but the present weakness of the anti-war
>>movement in the west is that it has little effective response to the
>>massive ability of the state in its widest sense to emphasise the
>>inhumanity of the treatment of the Kosovans. Beside that, young families
>>being unable to brew coffee in Belgrade flats does not have the same human
>>impact.
>>
>>
>>Given the premise that citizens of the USA should be especially active
>>against their ruling class in its overseas adventures, it is a pity that
>>there has not been more discussion on this list of the lessons of
practice.
>>
>>Chris Burford
>>
>>London
>>
>>
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