Why you think I would pay attention to your complaints when you ignore mine is strange.
No, I don't think women think that way about me. I told you about how women , in general think about me.
Why do you think it's ok for you to speak condescendingly to me ? Or for you to slough off my complaints about you ?
No, we are not talking about me as you say. We are talking about how you talk to me. And how you are making entirely bogus claims here. Not everyone is condescending to me . We are talking about you.
But I don't care that much about you being condescending. I'm just pointing out that what you write below is false and hypocritical.
I have an idea. Don't read my posts. Then you won't have to worry.
Bye, bye,
CB
>>> kelley <oudies at flash.net> 10/08/99 04:42PM >>>
this is just beautiful. grrRls, don't you think this is a beautful example
of pure sexist BS? i mean, seriously, save this for use in teaching or
something.
instead of dealing with the complaint, one that has been made four times now, charles, you slough it off and say, "it's coz you treat me this way first"
excuse me, but where do you figure that in any way whatsoever? is it not also possible that women, in responding to you [and to other men in general on this list] feel much the same: that we're condescended to. treated less respectfully and so forth. i mean, you compare the way you wrote to doug yesterday with the way you've written to women in the past -- as unimportant bits of fluff hardly worth your time and effort coz you're so bored or you think they're stupid or not well read enough.
charles, i have never said fuck you wrt racism. we have disagreed with
regard to the way racism manifests itself. all i've ever done is ask you
for a more nuanced analysis of racism. you insist n going for the overt,
obvious racism. my tack has always been to
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>You see there's a problem with your claiming that I condescend to you
because you are a women, because I am always sort of responding to your
"ethnocentric" condescescion toward me. So there is sort of a stalemate
on that. I can't really trust that you don't have an ulterior motive in
your claims. As a matter of fact , I am sure of it. Plus, I show posts
exchanges to other people, including women, and you don't come up with a
good score.
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>My check on it is Black women find me very non-male supremacist, so I
gotta go with their opinion. As a matter of fact White women I know
consider me non-sexist, so I gotta believe you are kinda hoaxing it here.
we're talking about how you consistently dismiss most of the women on this list, charles. i don't give a bat's eyelash what you do elsewhere. i'm sure you're a wonderful man and i'm sure that you do the best you can. i'm simply asking that you be a bit more cognizant of the way you treat women, ON THIS LIST, particularly since you seem to think that everyone is condescending to you. like i said, if anyone else did this, i'd call them on it and, in fact, have called them on it: paul rosenberg, namely
>As a matter of fact, I am a lot more respectful in the way I talk to you
than the way you talk to me. So, I'd say you are the one exhibiting the
supremacy and condescension. You can write all the stuff you want like the
below, but that doesn't make it true, and I am disregarding it as false.
oh gee whiz charles, and as a matter of fact when i left my position at two elite liberal arts unis, the students of color there begged me not to go. yeah that's right, chaz lil ole apparently in your fucking eyes racist me was such a racist that her students of color begged her not to go.
now does that impress you?
No?
Ditto
>CB
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>cc: Shaniece, Jill Nelson, Mildred Gaddis, and eight other women.
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>oh i guess workers of the west unite only means workers with big enough dicks
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>and don't start in on how you're a feminist. big whoop. so's doug. but
>if doug said something stupid or treated women as if they were stupid or
>not quite good enough for him to converse with, then i'd call him on it.
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>so i'll ask again: in what sense does a marxist [and particular marxist]
>analysis matter when it came to kosovo and political praxis and policies
>supported.
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>>When I see a post of yours I am not interested in , I just don't read the
>whole thing. I don't mind if you don't read all of my posts and delete them.
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>>CB
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>>>>> kelley <oudies at flash.net> 10/08/99 11:52AM >>>
>><yawn> frankly, i think it's disgusting that both of you have your posts
>>from that long ago. woah! toO organized and anal retentive for my blood.
>>uuummm. well....whatevA.
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>>anyway, a serious question about this bizzo at the heart of your debate.
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>>WHO GIVES A RAT'S ASS?!
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>>no, no, no.
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>>this is serious. what on earth does it matter? which is to say, let's
>>move this off into a different terrain coz i'd like to hear about the
>>specifics of how one's analysis of kosovo would make a difference as to
>>what sort of political practices pursued, policies advocated.
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>>coz if this is just about who has a bigger hard on for marx or who has a
>>straighter or harder one than spare
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