Alice down under in Wonder

Charles Brown CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us
Mon Oct 11 07:41:18 PDT 1999


I don't think we can grant the fact that I speak condescendingly to Angela, nor obsequiously to Doug. When I read that , I wondered what Doug is thinking since I argue with him all the time , and on his own list. That "obsequious to Doug" line was quite a hoot. So, the idea that I speak socalled condescendingly to Angela more than to Doug is factually false.

Also, I speak with Angela all the time as an equal ( I have copies of the post). To not argue with Angela when I disagree with her would be paternalistic.

Also, in all of this Kelley seems to forget that she's White and I am Black. Kelley speaks disrepectfully to me much more than I speak disrespectfully to her ( I have copies of the posts) . It is legitimate for me to speak sharply to a White person who speaks so disrespectfully to me so frequently.

"Ma soeur" is not condescending. That's another false statement. "Sister" is an imminently equal form of address. I said it in French because I was bighting my tongue in response to all the disrespectful things Kelley was saying.

Anyway, in that conversation, Kelley was speaking disrespectfully to me regarding Black identity. It's sort of nutsy to try turn my appropriately disrespectful retort to a racistly disrespectful come on into a socalled male supremacist condescending comment. With all the weird and wonderful stuff in Kelley's posts it is a joke for her to claim "ma soeur" is condescending. I'm mild as compared to what some Black people would have called her in that one ( I have copies of the posts).

One of the clearcut ongoing, evidences of Kelley's condscension toward me is her always calling me "chaz". That is kind of odd and suspect in a number of ways.

Charles


>>> Yoshie Furuhashi <furuhashi.1 at osu.edu> 10/08/99 06:33PM >>>
Kelley:
>but
>one of the first things that charles ever did was call me, "my sister" in
>french -- in a condescending enough manner to elicit fraces's ire, who he
>then treated pretty rudely too. look it up in the archives. oct/nov of
>last year.

Well, well, well.... I just thought you had a good point when you wrote:
><yawn> frankly, i think it's disgusting that both of you have your posts
>from that long ago. woah! toO organized and anal retentive for my blood.
>uuummm. well....whatevA.

Kelley also wrote:
>charles did not dismiss doug in the way he dismissed angela.

Aren't there also important differences other than gender between Doug and Angela? Like different political views, styles of writing, etc.? Perhaps Charles finds Angela's politics, philosophy, rhetoric, etc. more annoying than Doug's. If so, I wouldn't chalk it up to sexism. Anyway, this is my last post on the matter.

Yoshie



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