it's the Science vs. Ideology show

[rc-am]

this cracks me up.  carrol musing about decorum.   yoshie contorting into
the formulation: there is a "kernel of truth" in all "truly" scientific
endeavours because she can't manage to say that ideology is also true, like
marx did.  jim f. insisting that marxism is a science and, in the same
breath, defining science as the control and prediction of natural phenomena
when forced to move beyond the tautology of 'science isn't ideology because
it's science'.

less amusingly: catherine being accused of false consciousnesss for not
agreeing with yoshie's take on foucault.   but this of course is already
implicit in the guff about ideology as a set of ideas one says 'yes' or
'no' to -- hardly a marxist position on ideology, just plain idealist
insecurity being passed off as scientific certainty.

yep, ian, it is "king of the hill-I want the last word bullshit".  and a
particularly crude version of it as well.

ps, ted's comments on the absolute integrity of foucault's epistemes was
about the only accurate comment on foucault i've seen thus far.

Angela
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