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[Dace]

----- Original Message -----
From: "kelley"

> At 12:11 PM 8/30/00 -0400, Doug Henwood wrote:
> >Look, gang, I'm all for a discussion of mental illness and the scientific
> >status of psychoanalysis, but I'm not for the accusations of "asshole"
and
> >the like. Enough.
> >
> >Doug
>
>
> when someone takes knowledge of a relationship between two people--no
> matter what that relationship is (and yes, it was public, that wasn't the
> issue) --and deigns to psychoanalyze the respondents in a thread as to
> their "real" motivations for saying this or that, then proceed to get it
> wrong AND continue on with the b.s. even after they're called on it, then
> they're an asshole.

In your abusive responses to me last night and today, you've removed any
doubt I might have had about the deformity in your character.  Instead of
dealing with my criticism, you've engaged in two of the classic tactics of
the disturbed ego-- turning the tables on the accuser and confusing the
issue with irrelevant material.  Rather than try to answer my criticism,
you've simply changed the subject.  All of a sudden now we're talking about
me and what a terrible person I am.  You've sought out any kind of nasty
statement you can hurl at me.

For instance, you claimed that if I understood the "interpersonal dynamics"
involved, I would feel like "a piece of shit."  You stated that I "live and
work among the absolutely enlightened," the implication being that a
privileged person such as me has no right picking on a poor working class
girl like you.  You've repeatedly brought up the irrelevant issue of the way
leftists allegedly treat non-leftists.  You called me an @sshole for
revealing something you'd told me offlist, while conveniently overlooking
the fact that you yourself had also just revealed this to the list.  "I tell
you something personal offlist and this is what you do with it?"  (sniff
sniff)  Next, you denied that your insults were motivated by my having
revealed what you'd told me offlist, despite the fact that this is obviously
what you'd just done.  Then, in another effort to confuse the issue, you
began discussing the "ambiguity of the definition of depression."  You
asserted that I and my "ilk" like to engage in "guilt trip politics."  You
claimed that I turned it into a "personal issue."  It was already a personal
issue, from the moment Reese let forth his insult.  You accused me of
engaging in "psychoanalysis babble."  You claimed that I have no business
using terms like "narcissist," because people "regularly" use these terms as
insults.  "You have to take responsibility for the fact that they are used
as insults."  No, I don't.  I was using the terminology responsibly.  You
claimed that I defended myself by stating (and you even quoted me) "hey
we're all suffering from some form of psychosis," as if I would ever make an
absurd statement like this.  You implied that I had a problem with the fact
that you have "personal relationships" with several people on this list, as
if I could care less about your "relationships."  You implied that I
believed personal relationships within the group lead to "group psychosis."
You dragged in my criticism of democracy, implying that I think we should
have a king ruling the world.  In fact, what I stated was that liberal
democracy, in preventing anyone from having absolute power, forces our
leaders to serve the whims of the market so as to please the populace.  You
know perfectly well that I advocate anarchist socialism.  Finally, as stated
above, you claimed that I took "knowledge between two people" and used it
against them.  As you know, I was not aware of your relationship with Reese
when I criticized both of you in the same post.  You claimed that I got it
wrong and continued on with the "b.s." even after being called on it.

But I wasn't wrong, was I, kell?  How else to explain this string of
dishonest  accusations and irrational misdirections except that I absolutely
did NOT get it wrong?  Look back over this list of accusations.  Look how
long and tiresome it is-- all of written just since yesterday evening-- and
all of it
garbage!  It seems I was dead-on in my assessment.  I've seen who you really
are, something even you've never done.  That's bound to be annoying.  That's
bound to elicit a response.

I've got your number.  You've never had to deal with that before, have you?
You've been fooling the world for how long now?

Ted "Poster Boy for Dick" Dace