dhorne at telus.net dhorne at telus.net
Thu Aug 31 08:57:35 PDT 2000

Do tell. All of the below would more properly found on the Jerry Springer show.


At 12:33 AM 8/31/2000 -0500, you wrote:
><< But I wasn't wrong, was I, kell? How else to explain this string of
>> dishonest accusations and irrational misdirections except that I
>> did NOT get it wrong? >>
>> Everybody, knock it off. Take this stuff of list if you have to do it.
>> Kelly is a beautiful person, and you should be polite to her.
>> --jks
>I may not have been perfectly well-mannered in all my recent posts, but I've
>been fair. I
>have not called Kelley names for the sake of insulting her. I have
>criticized her
>based on my knowledge of personality disorders. It's always unpleasant to
>deal with ego-disturbed individuals once you've gotten on their bad side.
>They will do anything to knock you down, to insult you, to discredit you.
>Because they're so often extremely charming-- some of the most charming
>people you'll ever run across-- they have a way of working the crowd against
>the individual who tries to call them out on their cruelty and dishonesty.
>Because they *fully* believe whatever absurdities they utter, they can be
>incredibly persuasive liars. These people do an incredible
>amount of damage to society. Take, for instance, my mom. I love my mom.
>But she did a horrible thing to me. She abandoned me when I was five,
>leaving me to be brought up with an alcoholic father so insanely abusive
>that she ran for her life from him. Yet she left me behind! After that I
>saw her twice a year. For some reason I worshiped her till my teens. Then,
>around age 25, I got really angry. After a couple years, in a calm state, I
>wrote her a letter asking why did what she did. She came up with every
>excuse you could imagine. She seemed incapable of recognizing that she had
>simply done something truly awful. Finally, one day while researching
>Narcissistic PD, I glanced through some of the related disorders, and when I
>looked down the list of symptoms for Histrionic Personality Disorder, there
>she was. Hi Mom! The point of all this is that the disturbed ego is
>capable of far more evil than the normal ego. If you absolutely cannot see
>that what you're doing is wrong, then you'll just do it again, and again,
>without ever feeling remorse. Many people with PD's were abused as
>children. If you were traumatized in early childhood, by your mid-twenties
>you will probably develop one of three kinds of mental illness: addictive,
>affective, or PD. The difference between being clinically depressed and
>being ego-disturbed is that the former experiences the suffering fully,
>while the latter cannot cope with the trauma and represses it.
>Unfortunately, it comes out in terrible ways. Instead of feeling your own
>pain, everyone in your life has to feel it, particularly your children.
>Meanwhile, if you're a victim of one of these scary monsters, NO ONE WILL
>BELIEVE YOU. They're so damn "beautiful," people figure *you* must be the
>crazy one. As the psychiatrist M. Scott Peck pointed out (in his book,
>People of the Lie) if it weren't for the personality disorder, it's simply
>inconceivable that we would ever have developed the concept of human evil.
>Though he was focusing specifically on Narcissistic PD, it applies to all
>ten disorders, all of which boil down to the same ego disturbance, the same
>capacity to project reality based on desire and fear rather than simply
>perceiving it. While we all have egos, and we all engage in delusion to a
>degree, when the ego is disturbed, the distortions in perception become not
>only pervasive but cemented into place. Moreover, the individual undergoes
>a "loss of specific insight," i.e. becomes unable to rationally introspect.
>People with PD's virtually never admit they have the disorder. (Borderline
>PD is the only exception. There are Borderline support groups all over the
>country. The only person who ever told me she had a PD was a case of
>There's a well-written website devoted to Narcissistic Personality Disorder
>and its victims. As you pass through the pages, gradually it dawns on you
>that this is extremely serious and must not ever be swept under the rug, no
>matter how unpleasant it might be to deal with it head on like this.
>(Everyone who reads this will likely recognize people they've known in the
>Aside from the abolition of capitalism, widespread knowledge of ego
>disorder, in all its forms, is the single best thing we can do to reduce
>evil and suffering in the world.
>Btw, some people are particularly vulnerable to the charms of these people.
>You and I, unfortunately, both fall in that category.

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