> At most this still shows that the Ayran race does not yet exist. I do not
> think that the Ayran Nation types are the sort of threat the Nazis were, in
> any case.
well, for many of the aryan nation types, their aryan nation is synonomous with a white nation. that is, aryan nation thinking is an aspect of white racial thinking. extreme in its expression, yes, but nevertheless a part of the same logic. learning about those aryan nation partisans will tell you something about the white race its idealogical potential, and its contradictions. that is why it is important to pay attention to these folks.
obviously, the aryan nation is not the threat that the nazi are if only because overt an fascist aesthetic would have a hard time flying here (but stay tuned). also i think those anti-racist who chase them and other fringe white supremacist around the country are mostly wasting their time; it has the effect of diverting attention away from the real problem, the on-going normalization of the white race. still, one should not discount the possibility of a charming, sophisticated media saavy aryan nationalist demogouging his way into positions of influence. david duke was a hint of what was possible but he did not quite have what it took, not to mention all kinds of organizational baggage.
> Don't be obtuse. The idea of objectivirt as intersbeerjectivirt is not
> mystical. Nations are entirely socially constituted, but they exit because
> we agree they do. They are objective: there really is a Uniterd States. But
> its existence is not independent of what we collectively think. This is not
> particularly hard.
so you are telling me that it is really different for races? i will agree that 'race' is less stable than 'nation' but the fact is that most people accept 'black people' or 'white people' as an everyday, real, classafiable phenomenah. we as intellectuals, agitators; leftist, post-leftist, etc., cannot wish it away because we ourselves realize race is unstable. white leftist often mystify or evade when it comes to racial matters because they don't have to live race like black folk do. i never here white leftist discuss or refer to the 'mystical' nature of class.
> >
> This leaves itself open to the kind of criticism Spike Lee launched against
> jsut thsi sort of attitude in Bamboozled,w ith the white participant in hsi
> fictiona "Mau Mau" group. I think Lee is right: even then, in our society,
> renouncing white skin privilege is easier said than done.
>
one, spike lee changes his mind about race every couple of minutes and is what i call a "racial opportunist." two, i have no idea what you are talking about. and three, how many times do i have to say it: anti-white politics, that is, a total and direct attack on white skin privilege, is sure to result in all manner of reprisals from white folk who are either afraid to follow that path or are actively hostile to it.
> >
> This is radical chic, it's sort of embarrassing to see these attitudes from
> the 1970s being deployed today.
yeah, and you are a white boy who thinks he's got it all down...golly, i sure am embarassed for you that your kind of whiteness is still being deployed today.
Blacks are staunchly liberal in many
> attitudes,
who said they weren't? but debates about electoral strategies aside, don't you think the fact that blacks elected to congress consistently vote, as a bloc, progressively than any other bloc tells us a little something about where those elected officials come from? you've got to pay attention to the tendencies, too, not simply the actuality.
deeply conservative in others, but the black revolution has
> faded, to say the least.
i say that black have to move beyond the destructive contradictions of blackness, clearly implying that replicating the black power of struggles of the past will not do and you tell me that the black revolution has faded as if i'm valorzing panther power. what's up with that?
And I have heard and read many white men who spoke
> convincingly of freedom. I like to think that I am one of them.
i've read lots of "white" men who spoke of freedom, too, but i asked about speakers, not writers. there is a difference and a critical one. we all no it is easier to shout down the system on paper than it is in real time. and i'm sorry that you cannot see the discontinuity between "freedom" and the "white race."
chris niles
>
> --jks
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