THE MYSTERIOUS RAMSEY CLARK.

Michael Pugliese debsian at pacbell.net
Wed Feb 2 15:54:21 PST 2000


Oh, Tony, you've been smoking the wrong type of weed. You live near Waco, go get some from David Koresh'es ghost. (Get your Seventh Seal Weed here, Janet Reno says it's THE BOMB!) If I could get you some of my stash from Humboldt County, legally w/o getting the both of us sent down the river, I'd send ya some. (and with my "98 pound" lack of muscles I'd be a "bitch" to be raped pronto in federal prison!).

My guess is "Manny Goldstein" is a psedonym. If you wrote a piece like that would you want the WWP flameing you? "Emmanuel Goldstein" is a character in 1984, isn't it?

The militia watchers- you alluding to Mark Pitcavage of the Militia Watchdog, or somebody more well known like that Morris Dees scumbag? (Dees jacked off over his daughter's bed. How you do that and not wake up a child whose bed you're doing that over well I don't know. Or wanna know.The neo-nazis at Stormfront posted the divorce papers of Dees over their website.)

And what else to call a group that had the origins it did (what kinda Trots would be "tankies" re: the Hungarian revolt in 1956. Sure Dulles at the CIA and Ike egged on the Hungarians, but calling them fascists puhleeze. That was the line of Herbert Aptheker. To have Marcy and Aptheker together hmm!

And here is the nub of the matter. As long as the WWP/IAC do the work they do, OK. I just don't think I'd be very safe in a "socialist" state that they were the vanguard party in. They go on junkets to North Korea. Probably thought Pol Pot was kewl. Not my idea of folks with good politics, even if they do yeoman work standing up to the Amerikkkan Empire.

Michael P.S.Between the leninists for Pat Buchanan and his Hitler-Stalin pact with Fulani/Newman and the DSA notables for Gore and Bradley, where are the rest of us gonna go? Joel Kovel gets my vote. Unless, I use the "open primary" to maximum effect her in California and really mess with it and vote for Dr. Alan "Mosh Pit" Keyes! The new Weakly Standard has a hit piece by that dweeb, Fred Barnes (who voted for Eldridge "Raping white woman is revolutionary" Cleaver, in 1968 and later worked for Yablonski's insurgent campaign for UMW Prez before he got iced by Tony Boyle) on Keyes and Bauer, and the final page has a picture of Keyes in the mosh pit! ............................................................................ . ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Abdo <aabdo at webtv.net> To: Ken Freeland <kenfree at hal-pc.org> Cc: <aabdo at webtv.net>; <debsian at pacbell.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 2:37 PM Subject: Re: THE MYSTERIOUS RAMSEY CLARK.htm


> One- This is a hit on the WWP.
> Two- WWP is not Stalinist, though it's enemies like to paint them as
> such.
> Three- Who is the mysterious "Manny Goldstein"? A search reveals
> only one other article, or any thing really, under Manny Goldstein.
> But the article is curious because it has to do with Militias. Both
> articles are written very professionally and with great effect. So
> why so hard to see other work by "Manny".
>
> The militia search game (which the Ramsey article was written in this
> style, also) is a favorite amongst certain crowds. It is of note
> that the EXPERT in this field keeps a large archive on the various
> groups on the Right connected with the militia phenomena. He also
> happens to work closely with the FBI and various police angencies around
> the country.
>
> Curious that the name Manny Goldstein only crops up once, with only one
> similar style article. Not a coincidence, but hard to track down who
> is doing what here. My guess is that "Manny" is part of the US
> government. And that those who dislike the WWP have taken the feed.
>
> Tony
>
What the hell is this "shadow"? Evidently somebody who stands up for all the world's leading imperialist causes like genocide in Iraq, NATO conquest of Yugoslavia, and the future dismantling of China under the signpost of supporting "oppressed" Tibetan mystic landlords.

Who knows what Ramsey Clark's motivation is? Who knows what any of our motivation is? If he's a spook (spy) he's doing a better job in garnering public attention via the bourgeois media to causes like Iraq than any of the Workers World or Socialist Workers parties or CPs ever did on their own.

Are there rightwingers out there taking centre stage in the opposition to globalism and US military expansion? Yes, there surely are. Why? Because the left is too busy or too tired to make the effort. So, by default, enter the right wing. That's good. It shows there is a constituency out there for opposition to these things, and whoever manages to lead it, I hope it grows.

With revolutionary greetings!

Abu Nasr

Michael Pugliese <debsian at pacbell.net> wrote:

http://shadow.autono.net/sin001/clark.htm

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.......................................................................... Michael, Hey, thanks so much for sending me this one. For gems like this, there will always be a place in my mailbox (even if I have to order a new hard drive!). You are a good educator.

Peace, Ken

-----Original Message----- From: Michael Pugliese [mailto:debsian at pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 11:29 AM To: stormingheaven at onelist.com; Scott McLemee; Rachel; Owen Jones; nessie; Michael Albert; marxism at lists.panix.com; L-I; Ken Freeland; John P. Lacny; Eric V. Kirk; eric garris; Dave Hill; aabdo at webtv.net Subject: THE MYSTERIOUS RAMSEY CLARK ...........................................................................

Between the leninists for Pat Buchanan and his Hitler-Stalin pact with Fulani/Newman and the DSA notables for Gore and Bradley, where are the rest of us gonna go? Joel Kovel gets my vote. Unless, I use the "open primary" to maximum effect her in California and really mess with it and vote for Dr. Alan "Mosh Pit" Keyes! The new Weakly Standard has a hit piece by that dweeb, Fred Barnes (who voted for Eldridge "Raping white woman is revolutionary" Cleaver, in 1968 and later worked for Yablonski's insurgent campaign for UMW Prez before he got iced) on Keyes and Bauer, and the final page has a picture of Keyes in the mosh pit!)



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