i forgot to excise those editorial comments that were those of a member of another list. i don't agree with them. however, i'm wondering about this issue that never gets raised in these debates: most of the english colonies had a bill of rights in their own constitutions prior to the CC in Philly. as such, if i remember correctly, these weren't about state militias but were about "the rights of man". one of the CC debates was, among other things, over the redundancy of even having a bill of rights when most of the colonies had already established them during the colonial era or had done so under the Articles of Confederation given that, at that time, each of the 'states' saw themselves as sovreign governments simply allying themselves under the articles. wondering what, if any, the scuttlebutt in that regard was in your circles.
kelley