Roscoe Conklin was a big player in those days and he also almost made it onto the high court himself.
Tom Lehman
JKSCHW at aol.com wrote:
> Apparently you are under a misapprehension about how the Constitution is amended. It's done, and was done in the case of the 14A, by the legislature proposing amending language to be ratified by the state legislatures. the S.Ct has nothing to do with it. But even if every single S.Ct justice and every singe legislator in both Congress and were a railroad lawyer, that would not make the point that the 14A was a corporate plot. Lincoln was a railroad lawyer--quite a good one--does that mean the Emancipation Proclamation was a corporate plot?
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> --jks
>
> In a message dated Tue, 29 Feb 2000 3:57:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, Tom Lehman <uswa12 at Lorainccc.edu> writes:
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> > At least two of the Supreme Court justices in the 1880's were former railroad corporation attorneys. The Chief Justice Morrison Waite of Toledo, Ohio and Stanley Matthews of Cincinnati, Ohio. How many other former railroad corporation attorneys sat on the Supreme Court at the time? Conflict of interest maybe? No problem, just use the 14th Amendment. And how had the composition of the Supreme Court changed between 1866 and 1886 the year of the Santa Clara decision?
> >
> > Tom Lehman
> >
> >
> >
> > JKSCHW at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Was the 14A a corporate plot?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hacker, Louis, M. 1940. The Triumph of American Capitalism: The Development
> > > > 1 387: 14th Amendment, drawn up by congressional Joint Committee of
> > > > Fifteen, of which Radicals dominated. Unlike other amendments
> > > > contained more than 1 proposition. Section 1 was much like old
> > > > Civil Rights Law, but it contained a clause "nor shall any state
> > > > deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due
> > > > process of law; nor deny any person within its jurisdiction the
> > > > equal protection of the laws." Roscoe Conkling, a member of Joint
> > > > Committee, said that law was intended to protect property rights
> > > > against state legislatures, thus purposely written "due process"
> > > > and "equal protection". see Graham, H. J. "The 'Conspiracy Theory'
> > > > of the Fourteenth Amendment." Yale Law Journal, vol. xlvii (1938),
> > > > p. 171-94.
> > >
> > > Sure, the due process clause and takings clause protect property rights on their face. That does not show that they were written to promote corporate over individual rights. Black people were regularly denied property rights in the immediate postwar period.
> > >
> > > Btw a 1940 book is not exactly current research. the standard work--also older, but still excelennent--is tenBroek's Equal under Law.
> > >
> > > > Beard, Charles and Mary. 1933. The Rise of American Civilization. 2 vols.
> > >
> > > Really!
> > >
> > > > 113: "Long afterward Roscoe Conkling, the eminent corporation lawyer of New York, a colleague of Bingham on the congressional committee, confirmed this view. While arguing a tax case for a railway company before the Supreme Court in 1882, he declared that the protection of freedmen was by no means
> > > > the sole purpose of the Fourteenth Amendment.
> > >
> > > 1882--almost two decades later. And anyone who would believe Roscoe Conkling about anything deserves what he gets. But even here, he says at most that protection of blacks was not the sole purpose of the 14A,a lthough it was clearly the main purpose. This kind of "evidence' is the sort of thing that makes me sympathetic to Justice Scalia's view that all legislative history should be consigned to the trask bin--much less post-hoc "legislative history." Btw the Beard's work is almost wholly discredited among historians.
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> > > --jks
> > >
> > > >
> > > > JKSCHW at aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The 14A? This is false and preposterous. It was written by radical Republicans to ensure enforcement of Reconstruction civil rights statutes. There is no serious debate about the issue. the S.Ct. later gave corporations the status of persons under the 14A, but that was not its original intent. --jks
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> > > > Michael Perelman
> > > > Economics Department
> > > > California State University
> > > > michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
> > > > Chico, CA 95929
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