working class civil society (wasRe: Class Ceiling--Ehrenreich)

Carrol Cox cbcox at ilstu.edu
Thu Mar 23 10:45:51 PST 2000


kelley wrote:


> no, it's not radical or marxist as you would have
> it.

I don't think that *anyone* on this list (and certainly no one on marxism or leninist-international) has ever advanced "not marxist" or "not radical" as an argument. The question is never whether a proposed political activity achieves anything (short, medium, or long run). It's been some years since I've read Ehrenreich, but the last time I did read her (and I only remember my reaction, not the substance) was that what she was proposing would (a) not involve anyone in political activity and (b) not make life better for anyone even in the short run. I haven't had time to read the article by her you posted, so I won't comment on it.

Carrol

P.S. For about 200 years the moldiest cliche of political discourse has been to undercut a position not by arguing against it concretely but by suggesting its motive (e.g., "being radical") is somehow suspect. Joe Green over on marxism is an asshole not because he is a doctrinaire marxist-leninist or a sectarian but because his concrete ideas are simply wrong. I don't care to engage in mind reading (which is what you are engaging in above) by speculating on Green's private mental processes.

And for those who are obsessed with jargon. I don't know any politcal phrase, marxist or anti-marxist or even just plain bizarre, that is more overused than "not marxist enough" used to characterize someone else's presumed objections to one's pet political progject. It is always shorthand for saying, "I disagree with you, but I am too lazy right now to actually argue the point, so I'll just claim that your only objection to me is that I'm not marxist enough." Thirty-two words. It only takes seven words to say "You just think it's not radical enough." See -- Jargon does save a lot of words, for anti-communists as well as for economists, physicists, race-track touts, and maoists.

The prototype for the kind of argument Kelley advances here is all those studies of Marx that claimed he deduced socialism from Hegel without paying any attention to reality.



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