From The Union "Hardhead List"

Patrick F. Durgin kenning at avalon.net
Tue May 9 09:42:58 PDT 2000


Anyone interested in a more accurate account of literary / political "Objectivism" would do well to look at the Objectivist poets, well before Rand and such. _George Oppen: Man and Poet_ is a good place to start with one of the central and certainly one of my favorite political authors of the interwar years. That Rand weilds the term "Objectivism" is sad news to me.

Patrick

-----Original Message----- From: Jacob Segal <jpsegal at rcn.com> To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com> Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 10:18 AM Subject: Re: From The Union "Hardhead List"


>Anyone interested in a easy and fun read, I recommend The Passion of Ayn
>Rand, by Rand's former disciple Barbara Branden. It describes in rich
>detail Rand's completely pathological behavior, her affair with Branden's
>husband and their break with destroyed the "objectivist" movement.
>
>A good case in point of the dream of reason producing nightmare.
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>Jacob Segal
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>>Yes, actually there are a few real philosophers who take Rand seriously, I
>>was exaggerating: in addition to Hospers, there is Eric Mack, Douglas Den
>>Uyl (sp?), and the Bowling Green libetertians; Nozick wrote a piece on
>>Rand as a philosopher. Moreover my friend Chris Sciabbara, a libertarian
>>student of Betell Ollman, is a actually a Rand scholar, and Chris is very
>>smart. I still think Rand is a crackpot. I guess if what you say about
>>Hospers is true, I mean about Tonga, he was a practical crackpot as well.
>>He was a fine philosopher, though. --jks
>>
>>In a message dated Tue, 9 May 2000 12:37:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Sam
>>Pawlett <rsp at uniserve.com> writes:
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>>JKSCHW at aol.com wrote:
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>> Real philosophers (I used to be one, that is whatI did for a
>>> living before I was a lawyer) mainly do not take her work seriously. Her
>>> following is a scary cult. And Greenspan is part of it.
>>>
>> Except for John Hospers, a very good philosopher. I'm told that he and
>>Rand were good friends and she got a lot of ideas from him. In his
>>serious work though, you would be surprised to find that he is a
>>political crackpot. Apart from his tome *Libertarianism* he drops few
>>hints that he is in with Rand. He had a plan with Us real estate
>>developer Michael Oliver (who wanted to create the ultimate offshore
>>financial operation) to set up a libertarian paradise in one of the
>>Tonga islands. The local people showed up with spears and weapons and
>>turned them away violently.
>>
>>If you want to know what Greenspan thinks check out his essays in the
>>Rand edited collection *Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal* (yes that's
>>right, capitalism is a moral ideal and we haven't had the real thing yet
>>but we're gonna get it and the Randians don't care how many people die.)
>>One of G's papers is a defence of the gold standard. The kind of ranting
>>you'd find in the Liberty Lobby's Spotlight or something.
>>
>>Sam Pawlett
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