Suicide in New Zealand (Jim O'Connor)

[kelley]

At 04:21 AM 5/16/00 +1000, Joanna Sheldon wrote:
>Jim and Kelley,
>
>I think your Durkheim note, Jim,  might give a clue about the Swedes.
>("Durkheim would say that people are over-integrated into society in
>Finland (which gives you one form of suicide) [...]." )  I'd imagine
>there's a lot of pressure on Swedes to toe the line, be an upstanding
>member of society, keep that shoulder to the common wheel, etc.  What if
>you don't feel like soldiering on with the crowd?  What if you want to tune
>out, go your own way, lone wolf it?   What happens to the tall poppies, the
>really short poppies, the odd poppies?  I may be wrong but I don't imagine
>there's a whole helluvalot of support for excentricity in Sweden.  Whereas
>(correct me if I'm wrong, Brits) I don't think that's the case in the U.K..
>  And maybe the low rate in the U.S. (which surprised me more than anything
>in your list, Kelley) is attributable to the fact that it includes enough
>outlandish (as in beyond the village pale) subcultures that you'll almost
>always be able to find SOME little crowd you can hang with, feel real in,
>be confirmed by.
>
> >seriously, though, there are three basic patterns of suicide:
> >
> >1. rates increases steadily w/ age  for men in countires like  austria,
> >france, italy, japan, germany  and for women in  austria, italy, japan,
> >germany.   [in descending order]
>
>Thing I noticed about this list, beyond the interesting statistics, is that
>men are always mentioned first, women second.  Just another one of those
>subtle but all-the-more powerful-for-that messages that guys are where it's
>at, huh.
>
>cheers,
>Jo

men commit more suicide in general.  but frankly, i'm not especially big on 
formalities like where men are placed in a text as compared to women.  if 
that will change historical pay inequity i'll let carrol eatme while i make 
it clear that my attitude during said activity would still be characterized 
by DILLIGAF, FOAD, and HAND

rotflmao

nevermind me i'm having a shitty day.  but i still think it's ridick to 
worry about where men are in the reporting of stats.  i put my efforts 
elsewhere in the push for advancing women's rights, equality, etc etc 
etc.  and i have done so with incredibly boring regularity and vocalness on 
this fucking list of all places.  so i don't especially care for being 
called on the carpet for something as trivial as this.

kelley