Socialists win Tirana, fraud alleged

Charles Brown CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us
Mon Oct 9 13:39:51 PDT 2000



>>> spectra at elits.rousse.bg 10/09/00 04:50PM >>>

----- Original Mess ----- From: Charles Brown
> > CB: Right on , Wojtek. And you have direct experience.
> >
> Would Wojtek's oponion and direct experience still count if he happened to
> be thinking otherwise?
>
> (((((((((
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> CB: Are you asking this because you are thinking otherwise ?
Yes, somewhat otherwise. Now, would you answer my question, or shall we drop it for good?

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CB: Well, this is supposed to be a little bit funny. ( See , Marxists can be fun).

But since you want me to be serious, certainly, if not Wojtek, there are some people who had direct experience with European socialism who would happen to think otherwise. But given all the ( indirect) evidence I have, I would say it was good that there was socialism in Europe, and probably in many ways better than before and after.

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> ((((((((
>
> And, anyway, isn't electrification, for ex, supposed to be more important
> than toilet-paper?
>
> )))))))))
>
> CB: You have to get used to Wojtek's sense of humor.
>
Oh... Wojtek's sense of humour: been there, done that, got the stitches ...
:o) (and I'm serious, too)
> (((((((
>
>
> Still experiencing direct experience, and planning to continue doing so in
> this lifetime at least,
> ((((((((
>
> CB: Actually, most of our "experience" is indirect. That is a unique human
ability. Most of what we know is based on hearsay.
>
You brought up "directness" into the picture. Surely, degrees of indirectness account for different perspectives.

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CB: Well, sure, all the indirect experience, the hearsay , is based on someone else's direct experience. Some direct experience is a necessary precondition for the indirect experience.But it is important to see that we rely on OTHERS immensely. Humans are social beings, and this is one of the facts that makes that phrase not empty.



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