Gramsci Redux (was Re: debates was guilty / innocent was debates)

Yoshie Furuhashi furuhashi.1 at
Fri Oct 13 22:14:43 PDT 2000

kenneth.mackendrick at wrote:

>On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:09:53 -0400 Gordon Fitch <gcf at> wrote:
> > I reject the _values_ which make these incarnations of domination and
>subjugation desirable.
>Some degree of subjugation is necessary for subjectivity. It isn't that
>subjugation is desirable, but a certain degree of it makes desire possible.
>Without a doubt power and domination is fundamental to social relations, it
>also makes the psyche tick. The more we try to take flight from this the more
>it will come back with a vengeance. What concerns me is the way in which these
>relations become depoliticized. So it isn't power as such that I'm concerned
>about, nor the desire to be a dominator or dominated - but more the way in
>which power pretends to be something it is not.

So, Ken consents to subjugation -- in the Gramscian sense of consent.


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