they turned out to be pretty right wing, no? carmichael, horowitz, - there are more examples as well.
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>but the more important issue is this and i've said this so many times
>before. if the lefty wasn't such a piece of crap about stereotyping
>"working class" rednecks, hicks, etc as solely the perpetrators of sexism,
>racism, bigotry....
In my vocabulary, 'hick' and 'redneck' are two much different animals. A 'hick' is a rural type who lacks formal education and urban manners - not necessarily a bad thing, given the state of the higher education industry in this country. A 'redneck' is an arrogant, cocky asshole - he (it is usuallly a male) might have some formal education or even an MBA but he is openly anti-intellectual, anti-urban, and anti-liberal; synonyms: jock, frat-boy, asshole, Republican
Moreover, educated types are more likely to be bigots than hicks, thet are just better at hiding it. The reason for that is making distinctions among groups, forming hierarchies (especially meritocratic ones) and judging people by their credentials is the quintessence of university-based education.
>in doing that wojtek, you alienate those people. these are people who
>often have much more liberal, lefty views than you imagine.... but because
>lefties insist on portraying them like idiots, etc then you lose them.
No doubt. been there done that.
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>listening to PBS a few years ago--that one exemplar of liberal media
that yuppie mouthtpiece? what else would you expect? They do not even dare to say the U-word.
>there are reasons why people want to feel macho, etc in their lives. it is
>not CAUSED by those fucking guns. you're a sociologist and you should know
I never said that machismo is caused by guns. I said it is a part of the cult of violence that permeates this country's collective consciousness and expresses itself, among other things, through fetishistic attitudes toward guns. That fetishistic attitude, btw can be either desire for power (cf. the protagonist of the film "taxi driver") or revulsion expressed by much of the liberal establishement you criticize.
wojtek