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>If employment in your field is not so great where you live then organise -
>I wasn't objecting to the notion of organised labour in technical fields
>just that when Kelley says that we are all, including hackers, going to
>have to do it I disagree because I know damn well we don't organise well,
>and we won't have to.
*professionalize* BIG difference. professionalizing will simply be a way for y'all to separate the shit from the pony, to protect your good name from that of the script kiddie and ankle biter, so an employer can say, "ok, i'll hire this guy b/c he's a "professional" (signified by a degree or some test you've taken, one which includes command of a code of professional ethics (like not damaging company data or using your access to that info to extrot them) and that if you do something like that you'll be disbarred and shamed among your peers. like y'all shame carolyn meinel, john vranesivich (sp?) script kiddies and so forth now but you do so informally, through the grapevine. employers are going to want that protection and they aren't going to want to give up their networks to people they don't know if they can trust. so the pressure will be on.