<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Ian--It's the old story, guns or butter.  What do you want? In the state of Washington it's probably a big issue because of the big dee-fence contractor presence. Tom Lisa & Ian Murray wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE> Well how many union members, SPEEA, Machinists etc., will get sucked into the vortex of the JSF? while they're still building F-16's to sell to say, Israel and Egypt, Taiwan, Turkey etc.  It needs to become an issue for the unions here in the US so we can stop the arms race we're having with ourselves via our proxies.Ian <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <div class=OutlookMessageHeader>-----Original Message----- From: owner-lbo-talk@lists.panix.com [<A HREF="mailto:owner-lbo-talk@lists.panix.com">mailto:owner-lbo-talk@lists.panix.com</A>]On Behalf Of Tom Lehman Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 6:50 PM To: lbo-talk@lists.panix.com Subject: Re: WTO-PNTR For China  </div> I don't think this is a big issue today in the union movement.  Sure, there are people who are tied to the big dee-fence contractors; and some on the left who state that war is good for the economy, that's why we have them.  There probably are a few people who haven't grasped the high-tech nature of modern warfare and the very real potential use of tactical nuclear weapons and other nasty stuff regardless of how it is delivered. Also, the dee-fence contractors operate on the profit motive and they will sell anything they can to anybody who is willing to pay, if the government lets them.  That's always been the case, I don't see why that would change now. Tom Lisa & Ian Murray wrote: <blockquote TYPE="CITE">and one of the questions unions need to answer now is; are they going to continue to make the weapons which would be on hand to make the war mongering possible? having lots of union members tucked inside the MIC is/will be a major stumbling block to future international solidarity strategies. <a href="http://www.webcom.com/ncecd/bp18.html">http://www.webcom.com/ncecd/bp18.html</a>ian <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <div class=OutlookMessageHeader>-----Original Message----- From: owner-lbo-talk@lists.panix.com [<a href="mailto:owner-lbo-talk@lists.panix.com">mailto:owner-lbo-talk@lists.panix.com</a>]On Behalf Of Tom Lehman Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 5:49 AM To: lbo-talk@lists.panix.com Subject: Re: WTO-PNTR For China</div> Mike--This is an excellent url.  I'm going to ship it around to other Steelworkers so they can see what we are up against and the corporate/government types pushing this deal. Just remember, down the road these same corporate/government types will be screaming for war with China if their corporate interests get burnt by a Chinese policy change.  You can bet on it! Tom Lehman Michael Pugliese wrote: <blockquote TYPE="CITE"><style></style>    <a href="http://www.uschina.org/public/wto/">http://www.uschina.org/public/wto/</a></blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </body> </html>