<html> At 16:49 26-10-00, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>G'day Doug, <...> So I do reckon we've a propensity for sounding off from high moral ground, antagonising, intimidating or boring people beyond our cult-like convocation, and preferring to focus on the adversarial swopping of respectively known and fixed Truths rather than engaging in the process of knowledge; which, as I thought most of us would agree, is definitively a process of social production, ever a movable feast, and best done in a democratically tolerant spirit (Carrol's pronouncement that only one lister here may talk about evolution would be a prime example of ensuring that a mailing list become a static pissing contest, for instance). That said, I like LBO-Talk lots and learn heaps - most of the time.  And it ain't just LBO I'm talking about.  Happens everywhere lefties come together - really and virtually. Well, you did ask ... Cheers, Rob</blockquote> <x-sigsep></x-sigsep> I'm busy developing a sneaking suspicion that there's a hazard in believing our politics are above reproach.  Does it tend to grant us a delicious little extra bit of license to behave badly in our personal relationships?  gloomily, Joanna </html>