Wojtek Sokolowski wrote:
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> At 11:21 AM 4/10/01 -0400, Charles wrote:
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> >
> >>>> seamus2001 at home.com 04/09/01 06:42PM >>>
> >
> >> >RB
> >>
> >> Take it from me, Jan -- er, RB -- Marx was the last lefty to furrow a brow
> >> in a boardroom.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> ((((((((((
> >>
> >> CB: I usually agree with Carl, but the last one to really make the
> bourgeoisie
> >worry was Lenin.
> >>
> >>
> >********
> >Debs, to a lesser extent, to be sure.
> >
> >Ian
> >
> >********
> >
> >
> >CB: That's why Mr. Justice Holmes, the great civil libertarian, and the
> crew on the Supreme Court, found in the very first cases on the First
> Amendment, that Debs and other socialists were not protected by it when
> speaking out against workers marching into their own slaughter in WWI .
>
> Do not forget Ho Chi Minh and Fidel Castro who effectively held the hordes
> of US capitalism at bay.
>
> wojtek
Look, in response to Carl's post on this I told him not to be stupid -- meaning that he had a _choice_ here, that he needed only to choose not to be stupid. But all the follow-ups on this point are by persons who are not stupid but are choosing to be so -- and in so choosing they are spitting on the graves of the millions of workers and peasants whose struggles are the content of whatever 'fear' any of these names may or may not arouse. It is amazing that in a thread mostly devoted to attacking intellectuals there should also be such distorted evaluation of intellectuals, as though Marx all by himself ever accomplished _anything_.
Many years ago (1960) to be exact a colleague at Northern Michigan College shared with me a plagiarized research paper on Marx -- that it was plagiarized was revealed by the closing paragraph, which affirmed that up to the present Marex had had no effect on history. The paper was plagiarized from a 1912 encyclopedia.
Guthrie's greatest work is on this subject of contempt for the nameless --
"And all they will call you will be deportee."
Carrol