methods to socialism (was Re: taxes)

[Gordon Fitch]

I have heard of cloistered communities of ascetics who are
also anarchists, but I don't know any directly.  None of the
anarchistic communities I have actually observed have been
cloistered or ascetic.  Working in the average office seems
far more ascetic to me: ugly, uncomfortable dress, careful
speech and gestures, dreary and sometimes nasty authorities,
time eaten up with meaningless drudgery and vacuous, stupid 
meetings, tedium broken only by fear and anger, day after
day after day

          to the last syllable of recorded time.

Often, unions could achieve the socialist ideal of worker
ownership and control of the means of production by buying
a controlling interest in the corporations where they work.
The relations would still be bourgeois, but it would be a
step away from the class system towards something else.

Kevin Robert Dean:
> I read the thoughts on the methods of getting rid of capitalism from the
> perspective of anarchists with great interest.
> 
> I'm still unconvinced that there will be no need for at transition period
> between capitalist modes of production to a communistic (I mean this in a
> non-Leninist sense-I call myself an "Unhyphenated Marxist") mode.
> 
> Calls for clistered communities of ascetics don't do it for me, or I'd go
> and join a monastary.  Yup a bit too utopian.  This is not to say that my
> own views aren't utopian. I make assumptions that seisure of state power
> does not lead invariably to permanent authoritiarianism--I believe that
> after a time of transition, which includes property seisures, seisures of
> inheritance, strengthining union's in "state controlled" operations, ect,
> all power can be handed to the people and THEN set up along non hierarchial
> structures.
> 
> Of course, the question then becomes--well then how the hell does one seize
> power for this transitional time in the first place.  I don't think it can
> be done through the front door alone (ie, electoralism--although that is
> important for various reasons).
> 
> A few things need to happen first.  One I can think of is MILITANT union
> internationals which are INDEPENDANT and DEFIANT of any political party.
> This isn't to say that people shouldn't vote, but that we need to fight the
> current style of democracy at every moment by working for policies that will
> be in our OWN interest, or threaten a general strike across the world, or
> other actions across the world.
> 
> Yeah, pretty difficult...but there you have it...
> 
> http://qualiall.yaysoft.com
> Kevin Dean
> 
> 
> 
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