----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Proyect" <lnp3 at panix.com> To: <debsian at pacbell.net> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L:10235] Re: Lenin and Rosa L.
> IF YOU MENTION MY NAME AGAIN ON PEN-L, I WILL COMPLAIN TO PERELMAN. YOU
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> POLITICALLY.
>
>
> At 08:47 AM 4/15/01 -0700, you wrote:
> >Maybe the MIA archive online has the pamphlet that Univ. of Michigan
Press
> >gave the title, "Leninism or Marxism, "(arrgh goes Lou) ed. by Bertram
Wolfe
> >by Red Rosa.
> >http://www.google.com/search?q=Luxemberg+on+Lenin
> >Avoid the fascist, "Jew Watch, " website on these hits.
> >Michael Pugliese
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Seth Sandronsky" <ssandron at hotmail.com>
> >To: <pen-l at galaxy.csuchico.edu>
> >Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 7:19 AM
> >Subject: [PEN-L:10234] Lenin and Rosa L.
> >
> >
> >> Hi Jim,
> >>
> >> Check out the critique of Lenin's theory by Rosa L., certainly no
> >bourgeois
> >> thinker (500 Years of Revolution: European Radicals from Hus to Lenin.
> >> Charles George. 237-239.) Or am I misreading your words on Lenin and
the
> >> Russian Revolution?
> >>
> >> Seth
> >>
> >> "The Russian revolution was well-nigh inevitable. Lenin and the
Bolsheviks
> >> stepped in and tried to make it a good thing for workers and peasants.
The
> >> imperialist powers invaded and encouraged the civil war (which would
have
> >> happened anyway), so Lenin _et al_ had little
> >> choice but to embrace more top-down "solutions." (They were roundly
> >denouced
> >> for this by bourgeois thinkers, as if the bourgeoisie didn't rule in a
> >> top-down way as a matter of course.) The transition to Stalinism (which
> >> might have happened when Lenin still had power) came when virtue was
made
> >of
> >> necessity -- and then when nationalism was
> >> embraced."
> >> -- Jim Devine
> >>
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> Louis Proyect
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Proyect" <lnp3 at panix.com>
To: <debsian at pacbell.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L:10235] Re: Lenin and Rosa L.
> IF YOU MENTION MY NAME AGAIN ON PEN-L, I WILL COMPLAIN TO PERELMAN. YOU
> HAVE 117 REFORMIST MAILING LISTS THAT YOU CAN DO YOUR THING ON. JUST DON'T
> PROVOKE ME HERE. AND DON'T ANSWER THIS EMAIL. AND--ONE MORE TIME--DON'T
> MENTION MY NAME AGAIN. I CONSIDER YOU TO BE WORSE THAN ALBERT SHANKER
> POLITICALLY.
>
>
> At 08:47 AM 4/15/01 -0700, you wrote:
> >Maybe the MIA archive online has the pamphlet that Univ. of Michigan
Press
> >gave the title, "Leninism or Marxism, "(arrgh goes Lou) ed. by Bertram
Wolfe
> >by Red Rosa.
> >http://www.google.com/search?q=Luxemberg+on+Lenin
> >Avoid the fascist, "Jew Watch, " website on these hits.
> >Michael Pugliese
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Seth Sandronsky" <ssandron at hotmail.com>
> >To: <pen-l at galaxy.csuchico.edu>
> >Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 7:19 AM
> >Subject: [PEN-L:10234] Lenin and Rosa L.
> >
> >
> >> Hi Jim,
> >>
> >> Check out the critique of Lenin's theory by Rosa L., certainly no
> >bourgeois
> >> thinker (500 Years of Revolution: European Radicals from Hus to Lenin.
> >> Charles George. 237-239.) Or am I misreading your words on Lenin and
the
> >> Russian Revolution?
> >>
> >> Seth
> >>
> >> "The Russian revolution was well-nigh inevitable. Lenin and the
Bolsheviks
> >> stepped in and tried to make it a good thing for workers and peasants.
The
> >> imperialist powers invaded and encouraged the civil war (which would
have
> >> happened anyway), so Lenin _et al_ had little
> >> choice but to embrace more top-down "solutions." (They were roundly
> >denouced
> >> for this by bourgeois thinkers, as if the bourgeoisie didn't rule in a
> >> top-down way as a matter of course.) The transition to Stalinism (which
> >> might have happened when Lenin still had power) came when virtue was
made
> >of
> >> necessity -- and then when nationalism was
> >> embraced."
> >> -- Jim Devine
> >>
> >> _________________________________________________________________
> >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
> >>
> >
>
> Louis Proyect
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