real movements (was QUEBEC CRACKPOTS)

[Chris Kromm]

I think the best example out of this list was SNCC -- which did *real*
organizing which did have *real* results while building structures of
opposition that thrive to this day. I'm all for the new generation of
activists, but let's face it -- they have nothing on SNCC. I wish every
anti-globalization protester could read Charles Payne's "I've Got the Light
of Freedom" to learn how movements are REALLY made.
CK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck0" <chuck at tao.ca>
To: <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: QUEBEC CRACKPOTS


> Max Sawicky wrote:
>
> > Hey Chuckles, I haven't forgotten, and the fact is none
> > of that shit mattered.  What mattered was SDS (and later
> > YSA, CP-USA, etc.) mobilizing
> > college students, SNCC/SCLC mobilizing African-Americans,
> > nascent movements of GI's, trade unionists starting to
> > get into the act.  I don't think illegal acts impressed
> > anyone, except for mass civil disobedience and draft
> > resistance.
>
> Did these efforts stop the war? Nope. The Left anti-war movement had
> trailed off by 1971 and the war didn't end until 1974. If anything
> stopped the war, it was the pot-smoking GIs who fragged at least 3% of
> the officer core.
>
> The anti-war movement was an impressive phenomenon, but it gives itself
> way too much credit for ending the war.
>
> > The best example of what
> > you're fantasizing about was the Days of Rage/Weatherpeople
> > thang in Chicago, and that probably hurt more than helped.
>
> That's a bit different and you know it. The Weatherpeople thought they
> were going to start a Maoist revolution.
>
> << Chuck0 >>
>
> Infoshop.org    -> http://www.infoshop.org/
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>
> INTERNATIONALISM IN PRACTICE
>
> An American soldier in a hospital explained how he was wounded: He said,
> "I was told that the way to tell a hostile Vietnamese from a friendly
> Vietnamese was to shout 'To hell with Ho Chi Minh!' If he shoots, he's
> unfriendly. So I saw this dude and yelled 'To hell with Ho Chi Minh!'
> and he yelled back, 'To hell with President Johnson!' We were shaking
> hands when a truck hit us."
>
> (from 1,001 Ways to Beat the Draft, by Tuli Kupferburg).