Wow. I wish the white bourgeois mentality were as cosmopolitan as Art McGee seems to think it is. I heard some horrific stories in Australia about the treatment of aborigines - just rounding up people & shooting them en masse. And of course there's the wretched treatment of racial(ized) minorities in the U.S. So where is all this cosmopolitanism? And why is the unit of "self-determination" a racialized group? Why is "Africa" the whole, and not Nigerians, or Zulus, or whatever sub-group you want to name? Why should the victims of white racism then take on the racializing model as some kind of liberatory strategy instead of seeing it as divisive and oppressive?
The more I see of nationalism, the more I see there's nothing "progressive" about it - it always involves some exclusionary move, some form of primal racialization.
Workers of the world unite, and all that.
Doug
Art McGee wrote:
>Help me out here,
>
>Even though I understand how wrong and evil it was for
>Jewish people to occupy and get the land they did in the way
>they did, I sometimes feel conflicted about the CONCEPT of
>having a place where you can create your own society, based
>on whatever the fuck you want, and keep everyone else the
>fuck out. I call that SELF-DETERMINATION.
>
>What would SELF-DETERMINATION for Jewish people look like,
>without it being oppressive to non-Jewish people?
>
>What would SELF-DETERMINATION for Black and African people
>look like, without us being forced to live with white people?
>
>In other words, one of the things that BOTHERS ME a lot
>in various discussions is a white bourgeois mentality that
>seems to assume that all societies have to be cosmopolitan
>and integrated. What if the ultimate goal is to get people
>to leave you the fuck alone, get off your land, and stay
>the fuck out of your face? I know this is a theme that
>runs heavily throughout Indigenous and Black Nationalist
>discourse.
>
>What if Black people want to at some point create an
>exclusively "Black" society, whatever that means. Will any
>of you stand in our way? Will we have to fight you as well?
>
>What if Black people kicked all the white people out of
>Africa? Would that be bad? It wouldn't be to me, but I
>want to know what you white folks think.
>
>I hope people understand what I'm getting at. I'm trying
>to figure out what SELF-DETERMINATION really means, and is
>there a difference in what oppressed people think it means,
>and what the typical bourgeois leftist or Marxist thinks it
>means. I'm concerned that there is a disconnect somewhere.
>
>One settler, one bullet. :-)
>
>
>Art