Last book I read related to this matter, and which I found cogent, was Michael Perelman's "Class Warfare in the Information Age," little known, it seems. I see that he has contributed to the list, so I would like to thank him for the book. I would recommend it.
The comment "Oubliez Baudrillard!" was a pun on the title of Baudrillard's book "Oubliez Foucault!" -- a diatribe and hatchet job on Michel Foucault written when Baudrillard was trying to cement his "reputation" in the "everything is media"/"there is no reality" involution of French intellectual culture (at least such as I was being exposed to).
This is not even a discussion of the issues (there IS a critique on can do of "productionism" as ideology -- after all Ayn Rand is full of that crap -- but I don't think it is through Baudrillard), just an explanation of the background of the pun on Baudrillard's book. These days I have an entirely different job and am necessarily involved in other things. The "oracular" style of French theory and its influence in the field of literature and art was not one that I could quite take to. Too much fucking jargonizing for its own sake.
Peter Kosenko
P.S. Obviously most of you have more time than I have, so I will try to be back when I actually have something more concrete to say about some issue. Mostly signed on to listen in, since there are interesting things on the list.
Here's a link to an old essay: http://www.netwood.net/~kosenko/jackson.html
John Halle wrote:
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> > Very funny, and I agree wholeheartedly.
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> > Oubliez Baudrillard!
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> > Peter Kosenko
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> > >Michael Pollak wrote:
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> > >>To be fair to Baudrilliard
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> > >Why?
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> > >Doug
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> Maybe I'm obtuse here, but I'm having difficulty following the logic of
> this exchange. Doug posts a typically annoyingly vacuous remark of B.
> which is subsequentally shown to be vacuous, though "to be fair" not quite
> as stupid as one might have initially thought. But then it is claimed that
> there is no reason to forgive B's idiocy in any case-the implication being
> that we all knew he was an empty suit to beging with.
>
> What, then, was the point in posting the first remark? To keep us on our
> toes?
>
> Am I suffering from irony deficiency syndrome?
>
> I do admit to getting a good chuckle at french pomos receiving a good in
> the rear-fairly or unfairly.
>
> John
-- ============================================================= Peter Kosenko Email: mailto:kosenko at netwood.net URL: http://www.netwood.net/~kosenko Netwood Design Center URL: http://ndc.netwood.net/ ============================================================= "Man is a rational animal. He can think up a reason for anything he wants to believe."--Benjamin Franklin