RES: marxism on wgn-fm

Alexandre Fenelon afenelon at zaz.com.br
Tue Feb 20 16:27:24 PST 2001


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See, now that's exactly what I objected to earlier. Davis ostensibly outlines problems with authoritarian imperialism's response to natural catastrophe, but here, you are saying capitalism itself is culpable, when a.i. is not the only form of capitalism. So unless you are privy to additional evidence to base your claim on, you wrongly conflate capitalism (an economic system) with authoritarianism (or totalitarianism, forms of rule). What examples would you bring forth to show that capitalism itself (and not a dictator or other despot) is at fault?

George Thomas

-But you can apply the same reasoning to communism, arguing that the deaths were result -of mad dictators. If you consider that 75% of the deaths attributed to communism in the -black book happened in Mao´s China and Stalin´s USSR this is a strong evidence there the -trouble is with mad dictators and not the system itself. On the other side, deaths in -capitalist system seems to be much more evenly distributed, so the argument isn´t so -so strong here. And the USA system is responsible by a lot of deaths (civil war, -genocide of native population, slavery) that was, of course, no result of insane -dictators, but of the own internal capitalist dynamics (it´s necessity for expansion). -You will find the same pattern of atrocities in the XIX century colonialism, even -withouth dictators (famine in India and Ireland and the horrible things The Belgians -did is Congo, extermination of Australian natives, etc...). And I won´t even mention -slave traffic, that was an essentially capitalist activity.... -However, I don´t believe that those events are result of crazyness (except, maybe in -China during the Great Leap Forward, whose consequences were largely unintended). Both -The events previoulsy described and those who happened in USSR are the same process -of capital accumulation, and it would be right to describe the modernization during -Stalin years (and the attrocities) as a capitalist revolution, that expropriated -the pre capitalist peasantry, and put them under state capitalist exploitation.

Alexandre Feenelon



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