SJ Gould on genome

Peter van Heusden pvh at egenetics.com
Wed Feb 21 01:34:38 PST 2001


On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 11:48:56AM -0500, Charles Brown wrote:
> Peter,
>
> Doesn't the very terminology genotype/phenotype imply cognizance in the
> theory that some environmental causes intervene after the formation of the
> zygote in conception ?

No, not necessarily. You could quite conceivably believe that genotype absolutely determines phenotype. All that the two words describe is that there is the difference between the DNA which a particular organism possesses and the appearance of that organism - which is kinda obvious.

We happen to know experimentally, however, that genotype does not entire determine phenotype - for examples, see Lewontin and Levins' examples of the variation in number of segments in the eye of Drosophila, in 'The Dialectical Biologist'.


>
>
> Peter said in his post: "Finally, I think Gould is pretty much right in
> spirit, but makes
> a couple of logical mistakes in setting forth his argument. I.e. I think
> we pretty much know that 'information' resides in the way molecules
> interact (i.e. some 'noise', e.g. a mutation in a gene, does not
> necessary lead to loss of cellular 'information' - i.e. preservation
> of state and function) rather than flowing one way from some 'low level'
> set of molecules to some 'high level' ones. But I think the way he sets
> forth his argument is journalistic, rather than drily logical, and he
> could be faulted if judged on strict logical grounds."
>
> Charles: Is there anything in the genome project that contradicts the Central Dogma as articulated by Crick ? :
>
> "In 1957. Francis Crick, one of the co-discoverers of the importance of the genetic molecule DNA, called this hypothesis, the "Central Dogma" which :
>
> "Stated that once "information" has passed into protein it cannot get out
> again. The transfer of information from nucleic acid to nucleic acid, or
> from nucleic acid to protein may be possible, but transfer from protein
> to protein, or from protein to nucleic acid is impossible."
>
Hm. There's a step missed out there - DNA to RNA. And yes, well, that version of the Central Dogma has fallen prey to evidence years ago, with the discovery of retro-viruses (e.g. HIV), which splice their genetic material into DNA - i.e. information in the viral proteins quite literally gets into DNA.

Also, the fact that regulatory networks control gene expression (which gene is 'switched' on - generally about 10% of genes are 'switched on' in any cell, as I recall), and the fact that the process of going from DNA to protein is complex, with many steps where intermediate steps get 'tweaked' (e.g. DNA is transcribed into RNA in a complex fashion - multiple different RNAs can be created from one gene. Also, there is 'post-translation' modification, which happens after RNA is translated into protein - but I don't know much about that) seems to me to be at odds with the CD - proteins and RNAs are involved in altering the information flow - to what extent this 'alteration' makes the whole CD thing much less useful as a model is a subject of debate. I tend to think the CD simply captures one process amongst the many processes which 'conserve information' in cells - others differ.

Also, I don't really see it as 'genome project' results which are challenging the CD here - a lot of the research going into the comments I'm making didn't happen as part of the Human Genome Project.


>
> Doesn't the result of fewer genes than expected, mean that the genotype is
> less detemining of phenotype than those who expected more genes thought,

I guess you could read it that way - if there was a 1-to-1 gene-protein link, you'd possibly have grounds for arguing that the gene expression process was straightforward and not a big influence on the information content on the cell. *In practice*, I haven't come across any real life scientists who argued that there was a 1-to-1 gene-protein link, certainly not at this stage of the game.


> and that post zygotal environment plays a bigger role, but not that
> phenotype and experience cause changes in the genotype other than randomly
> with respect to adaptation to that phenotype or experience ? There is no
> contradiction of the socalled Central Dogma in the genome project results ,
> or do we reinvestigate Lysenko ?

Lysenko's arguments, as I've heard them laid out, involved not just post zygotal environment playing a role, but also the inheritance of acquired characteristics. If we didn't believe that post zygotal environment played a role, we wouldn't have a science of plant breeding - we could probably do to a have a more nuanced science like that (e.g. examining companion planting on a large scale), but I hardly think a return to Lysenko is on the agenda.

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