----- Original Message ----- From: "Badili Jones" <robertoj69 at yahoo.com> To: <asdnet at igc.topica.com>; <socunity at topica.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [ASDnet] Fw: Green Infighting
> Greetings,
>
> That little dribble about the ASGP is such a lie that
> I just gagged reading the whole thing. I was a meeting
> in Santa Barbara as a delegate. Delegates are not self
> selected. In Georgia delegates are elected at the
> state convention with the requirement that we pay
> special attention to insure racial and gender parity
> on the delegation. As an African-American I feel, the
> ethnic diversity in the leadership is still a crucial
> issue and a concern which I voiced at the meeting.
> Every state party has its own by-laws and most also
> are in conformity to state requirements as to
> membership. For example a member of the party is any
> one who shows up to a county convention and is
> credentials as a resident of that county. Many people
> who attend the state convention don't participate in
> everything but are supports who contribute funds and
> volunteer some time to the Party. We feel that if we
> are not mindful of their concerns than we will lose
> there support. Other states have members register at
> the moment they register to vote and in this case some
> states have thousands of registered Green Party
> members. I think we would love to have these
> thousands of members to participate on a regular basis
> in the work of the Party.
>
> Is the Green Party the Perfect Green Party that some
> people would have. No. What we have is something in
> formation. If we wanted to be a small party that was
> out of touch would we have voted to expand the
> national committee in accord with proportional
> representation? If we wanted a small sectarian
> leadership would we have not voted to admit Identity
> caucuses to the national committee with voice and
> vote? We may not be where we need to be but I would
> say that the Gren Party of the United States is going
> to were it needs to go in this period.
> The GPUSA and Carbondale barely came up in an
> discussion at all and this is the last thing I will
> say about it because there is no need to squabble. I
> suspect that many dually affiliated parties will
> disaffiliate with the GPUSA out of frustration but
> that is only my opinion. I would have hoped that
> differences could have be resolved and maybe it is not
> to late.
> BTW if Casa Santa Maria was a posh resort, I must have
> been in the wrong place. It was OK but pleeese. But
> was does a poor working stiff like me know.
>
> Badili
> Co-Chair of the Georgia Green Party
> --- Michael Pugliese <debsian at pacbell.net> wrote:
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:05:16 -0400
> > From: "Joe R. Golowka" <joeG at ieee.org>
> > Subject: Fw: Green Infighting
> >
> > Image if Nader had got 5% of the vote & the money
> > that goes along with it -
> > this infighting would be much worse.
> >
> > - ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul" <webmaster at globalcircle.net>
> > To: <GreenParty2001 at yahoogroups.com>
> > Cc: <and.individuals at mail3.registeredsite.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 12:19 PM
> > Subject: [greenfreespeech] The "Big Lie" technique
> > and the myths that split
> > the party
> >
> >
> > >
> > > The "Big Lie", as we know, is a propaganda
> > technique that relies on
> > > telling a whopper so big, and repeating it so
> > much, that people start to
> > > believe it. These myths are being put out all over
> > the Internet, by a
> > > handful who expect to profit from splitting the
> > Green Party with a rival
> > > organization. See the actual ASGP press release at
> > the end of this post.
> > >
> > > 1. MYTH: That most Greens -the "majority
> > democratic grassroots voice of
> > > the Greens "- support ASGP and some new Green
> > Party set up overnight in
> > > Santa Barbara, that they haven't even heard of
> > yet, and therefore GPUSA is
> > > not a "credible" Green Party
> > >
> > > FACT: No evidence to support that claim. Nobody
> > took a nationwide vote or
> > > poll of Greens, or even statewide votes or polls
> > of registered Greens in
> > > any single state. We know that most registered
> > Greens aren't even aware
> > of
> > > GPUSA or ASGP, much less some newfangled party, or
> > aware that there's a
> > > difference, that ASGP and the Green Party GPUSA
> > are two different
> > > organizations. Obviously, most couldn't care less;
> > they care about real
> > > issues. In state parties affiliated with ASGP,
> > only a tiny fraction of
> > > registered Greens know anything about the state
> > party, and even fewer know
> > > why they send an ASGP rep to meetings with other
> > ASGP reps. State ASGP
> > > reps are self-selected and approved without
> > discussion, for lack of
> > > interest. ASGP in fact is simply a collection of
> > state cliques who can
> > > afford to send themselves to meet with the other
> > cliques in fashionable
> > > locations most Greens could never afford to go
> > to-- like La Casa de Maria
> > > in upscale Santa Barbara.
> > > FACT: There's nothing grassroots OR democratic
> > about the meeting in Santa
> > > Barbara. 99% of registered Greens never heard they
> > were even meeting. How
> > > many showed up? A handful who could afford to
> > stay at La Casa de Maria
> > for
> > > "panoramic views over the Pacific Ocean to the
> > Channel Islands National
> > > Park" at a "place of peace where people of all
> > faiths can search for
> > truth,
> > > engage in dialogue, experience personal growth,
> > realize their
> > self-worth.."
> > > blah blah blah --- and pay big bucks to "get
> > spiritual", far from the
> > > dirty, real problems of the world, the homeless,
> > the imprisoned, the sick?
> > > See for yourself at http://www.lacasademaria.org/
> > . Can YOU afford the
> > > price to be in their clique?
> > > FACT: If you look closely, you see those
> > splitting the Greens with
> > > another national party were paid Nader operatives
> > in his campaign, and
> > > overlap with Nader's Campus Greens head honchos.
> > And as for democracy in
> > > Campus Greens, their own website shows they had
> > highly detailed bylaws and
> > > membership restrictions, before they even had a
> > founding convention where
> > > students could vote on things (so who wrote the
> > bylaws? follow the money).
> > > They STILL haven't had any convention with
> > democracy and voting, and there
> > > they were in Santa Barbara with Ben Manski
> > promoting a split in the Green
> > > Party. And its leaders got $30,000 "seed money"
> > from Nader to start Campus
> > > Greens. And they've all been on the Nader payroll
> > starting with his
> > > campaign, including Ben Manski, the former Wells
> > Fargo investment adviser
> > > who is nothing if not loyal to Nader. They admit
> > these facts. Ask them.
> > >
> > > 3. MYTH: That Nader is building the Green party
> > grassroots.
> > >
> > > FACT: Nobody hears Nader preaching the 10 Key
> > Values, because he
> > > doesn't. He's not Green. He's building his own
> > party, with Campus Greens,
> > > with his own money (which by the way is invested
> > in corporate mutual
> > funds,
> > > not ecologically sustainable business stocks).
> > He's doing to the Green
> > > Party what Buchannan did to the Reform Party.
> > While many of his positions
> > > are commendable -- and I hate to say this since I
> > initially supported him
> > > and Winona -- his platform is simply not Green--it
> > is 100% identical to
> > > traditional liberal Democrat agendas,
> > single-payer, minimum wage, reform
> > > the corporations, and some liberal social issues
> > like legal reform.
> > > He refuses to share the podium with real leaders
> > and activists in peace,
> > > anti-globalization, anti-military, human rights,
> > civil rights,
> > > environmental, homeless, or feminist movements.
> > Sadly, he hobnobs with his
> > > fellow millionaire Hollywood supporters, but
> > quietly avoids side trips
> > into
> > > poor neighborhoods or even middle-class minority
> > areas. The homeless,
> > > indians, hispanics, will not see his limo pass by.
> > Well, you can brag you
> > > don't own a car-- when you always have a limo
> > waiting. You don't need to
> > > own a home when you live in your brother's
> > tax-writeoff mansion in
> > > Connecticut while your (nonunion) staff works out
> > of cardboard boxes in
> > > rundown buildings.
> > > It may be hard to accept, but his agenda is simply
> > not the Green agenda;
> > > it's a populist or liberal agenda. Hence it makes
> > perfect sense for him to
> > > blow off the existing national Green Party, GPUSA,
> > which is too Green for
> > > him, and split the Greens with a new national
> > party that's watered down
> > > beyond recognition. Look at the issues they
> > support in their press
> > release.
> > > Haven't they left out 99% of the real Green
> > agenda? Are those the
> > campaign
> > > issues that will save the environment and
> > establish social justice for the
> > > downtrodden of the world?
> > >
> > > 4. MYTH: That some mysterious clique took over
> > GPUSA in the Carbondale
> > > national Green Party convention, to thwart the
> > will of the majority of
> > > greens, therefore they need to split the party and
> > set up a rival party
> > for
> > > the sake of "Unity". HUH???
> > > FACT: That line comes from the tiny, loud
> > minority of the ASGP clique who
> > > got outvoted in the GPUSA convention in
> > Carbondale, who have been pushing
> > > the democratically rejected Boston Proposal (which
> > Nader wanted) for
> > months
> > > to get GPUSA to disband as the national party, so
> > they could take over the
> > > Greens nationwide. Yet they made no specific
> > allegations of bylaws
> > > violations or undemocratic tactics in Carbondale.
> > They were just outvoted
> > > by the majority.
> > > Those who feel the national Green Party USA should
> > be even more democratic
> > > (as I do) should work to make it more democratic,
> > not split the party.
> > > As for the splitters' unbelievably overblown
> > rhetoric of womens' equality,
> > > they'll be believable when they put a woman in
> > Nader's place, instead of
> > > blindly following a man for the prestige and money
> > at his campaign trough.
> > > They even make excuses for Nader dismissing
> > feminist issues and snubbing
> > > womens' movement leaders. Look closely at the way
> > they hype gender
> > > equality in the press release (quoted in full
> > below) :
> > > "This is the vision of the Seneca Falls
> > Declaration of 1848, drafted by
> > > Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony, and
> > others -- a political
> > > movement in which men and women are truly equals
> > in power. What other
> > > American political party can claim this at its
> > founding moment?" Then the
> > > final insult, dropping the name of Fannie Lou
> > Hamer, civil rights hero,
> > > when they can't count five blacks in their whole
> > organization, and no
> > > blacks at all in Nader's superrallies. That little
> > gem came from ASGP's
> > own
> > > Ann Goecke, jet-seting fashion model who
> > identifies with "poor women of
> > > color".
> > > I suspect those women would turn over in their
> > graves.
> > >
> > > --paul, webmaster http://globalcircle.net
> > > networking for ecology, justice, and all our
> > relations
> > >
> > > Here is their own press release. Please note the
> > claim to speak for the
> > > "majority" of Greens in the United States in
> > forming their new rival
> > party.
> > > But they won't say how many showed up at the posh
> > resort. Was it thousands
> > > of Greens? Hundreds? Or fifteen?
> > >
> > > >GREEN PARTY PRESS CONFERENCE (to be broadcast by
> > C-SPAN)
> > > >Monday, July 30, 2001, 11 a.m.
> > > >at the office of the Los Angeles County Green
> > Party
> > > >2809 Pico Boulevard, Santa Monica, CA 90409
> > > >Office phone: 310-449-1882
> > > >Office fax: 310-449-1810
> > > >
> > > >PRESS CONFERENCE CONTACTS:
> > > >Anne Goeke, Former Co-chair, cell phone
> > 717-468-1880, ajgoeke at igc.org
> > > >Dean Myerson, National Organizer, 303-956-0827,
> > greens at deanmyerson.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >WASHINGTON, D.C. -- As the national meeting of
> > the Association of State
> > > >Green
> > > >Parties (ASGP) commenced at La Casa de Maria in
> > Santa Barbara,
> > > >California
> > > >this weekend (July 27 through 29), Green
> > organizers discussed the
> > > >significance of ASGP's plans to file with the
> > Federal Election
> > > >Commission
> > > >(FEC) to establish a formal national Green Party.
> > > >
> > > >"Women have always played a leading role in the
> > Green Party," said Annie
> > > >
> > > >Goeke, former chair of ASGP, noting that feminism
> > is one of the key
> > > >values of
> > > >the Greens. "At the same time the national party
> > is being founded, we'll
> > > >be
> > > >electing a majority of women to the Steering
> > Committee. This is the
> > > >vision of
> > > >the Seneca Falls Declaration of 1848, drafted by
> > Elizabeth Cady Stanton,
> > > >
> > > >Susan B. Anthony, and others -- a political
> > movement in which men and
> > > >women
> > > >are truly equals in power. What other American
> > political party can claim
> > > >this
> > > >at its founding moment?"
> > > >
> > > >"The FEC filing and founding of the Green Party
> > of the United States is
> > > >a
> > > >landmark among landmarks," said Nancy Allen, ASGP
> > media coordinator.
> > > >
> > > >"Over the past two years, we've witnessed the
> > rise of a protest movement
> > > >
> > > >against anti-democratic and anti-environmental
> > 'free trade' authorities,
> > > >
> > > >beginning in Seattle in 1999; the Nader-LaDuke
> > campaign, numerous local
> > > >Green
> > > >candidacies, and emergence of the Green Party in
> > the national
> > > >consciousness
> > > >in 2000; the outrage at the 2000 election
> > scandal; and the birth in 2001
> > > >of a
> > > >new democracy movement, with protests at the Bush
> > Inauguration,
> > > >participation
> > > >in the Democracy Summer Institute at Florida A &
> > M in Tallahassee and
> > > >the
> > > >Pro-Democracy Convention in Philadelphia. Greens
> > took the lead in all of
> > > >
> > > >these."
> > > >
> > > >"Make no mistake -- this is a Green moment," said
> > Allen. "Some
> > > >progressive
> > > >Democrats show up at anti-globalization protests
> > and pro-democracy
> > > >meetings.
> > > >But the Democratic Party has given up on real
> > election reform, and
> > > >leading
> > > >Democrats favor corporate globalization pacts
> > like the WTO, FTAA, etc.
> > > >instead of global democracy. No Democratic
> > Senator, progressive or
> > > >otherwise,
> > > >stood up in support of the Black Caucus's
> > challenge to Bush's election."
> > > >
> > > >"Greens are pushing for instant run-off voting,
> > proportional
> > > >representation,
> > > >and other ways to give minorities of all kinds a
> > greater say in
> > > >government,"
> > > >said Holly Hart, Secretary of the Iowa Green
> > Party. "We demand real
> > > >campaign
> > > >reform: free air time for candidates so voters
> > know who stands for their
> > > >
> > > >interests, public financing of elections, an end
> > to the privileged
> > > >status of
> > > >corporations, an end to ballot access
> > restrictions designed by Democrats
> > > >and
> > > >Republicans to exclude third parties and
> > independents, and, most
> > > >important of
> > > >all, the tools of civic participation -- ways for
> > people to represent
> > > >and
> > > >speak for themselves."
> > > >
> > > >"The Mississippi civil rights activist Fannie Lou
> > Hamer said that the
> > > >standard of reform was whether it would make the
> > system more fair for
> > > >someone
> > > >like Hamer herself, a poor woman of color," added
> > Goeke.
> > > >
> > > >"We share this standard. From the rights and
> > freedoms of the least
> > > >powerful
> > > >to the globalization of democracy -- these are
> > the goals of the Green
> > > >Party."
> > > >
> > > >MORE INFORMATION
> > > >
> > > >Association of State Green Parties
> > > >http://www.green-party.org
> > > >
> > > >Information on ASGP filing with FEC
> > > >http://www.greenparties.org/fec/fec.html
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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