----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Parks" <davep at exeterleft.freeserve.co.uk> To: "Chuck0" <chuck at tao.ca> Cc: "Jamal Hannah" <jah at iww.org>; "Michael Pugliese" <debsian at pacbell.net> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:27 AM Subject: Fw: wto list serve questions
Hi Chuck0,
I didn't get back to you on Joseph Catron - I had other things on my mind. I am not sure what to do if anything about this, I posted several posts to the WTOwallstreet list at the time pointing out that there are probably problems with Catron. What I forgot to do was to point out that he is the moderator of the list - so I suspect it all went over peoples head as just a bit of wierdness. Since - Catron has not replied to the controversy but simply closed the list archive so that new comers will be compeletely oblivious. The list is at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wtowallstreet
One lister wrote to me asking me to explain a bit more. I wrote back, with the links I intened to send to you (see below). Thing is I suspect either no-one has really understood this on the list, or they are confused by it. In the meantime the more people who post to the list the more "normal" the list appears and so everyone else follows suit. Before you know it only a tiny minority have any inkling there is a questionmark over the moderator.
If Catron was sound he would respond to these allegations. Maybe he would say OK I have made a mistake and perhaps someone else should take over running this list. He hasn't done this - he has responded by closing the archive. Although that is not strictly the case with these lists - in reality he has restricted access to the archive to himself alone.
So anti-capitalists could be organising to close Wall Street via this list! This really horrifies me, but then at the same time maybe it is not my business. I am knackered from months of political campaigning over here in the UK ... I am distant from the campaign concerned and not in a position to realistically deal with activists who may know whether or not there is really something to be worried about here - I am not in touch with trustworthy activists involved (nor do I want to be, particularly).
Catron is either a fascist sympathiser and/or a police agent OR he is very confused. Either way, issues of possible state infiltraion of the movement can be divisive if handled badly. The state can do us damage by infiltrating us, however if we are not careful false allegations of state infiltration can do as much damage. Either way there are problems with Catron in my view.
So Catron left unchallenged as moderator of an organising list for closing down Wall Street ... I would suggest it needs looking into by people who are actually involved.
solidarity
Dave Parks
PS. I will CC this to Jamal Hanah and Michael Pugliese
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Parks" <davep at exeterleft.freeserve.co.uk> To: "stefan christoff" <stefanchristoff at hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: Re: wto list serve questions
>
>
> Hi Stefan
>
> Take a look at some posts on the Anti-National Anarchist (ANA) list (see
> below). The list was set up by an anarchist comrade Jamal Hannah who was
> concerned about Third Position fascists trying to infiltrate the movement
> calling themselves "National Anarchists". The subject matter is a bit
> involved but essentailly if you think of "National Socialists" you will
get
> the idea of "National Anarchists". The National Anarchists adopt radical
> anti-capitalist and green rhetoric and combine it with nationalism and
> racial separatism - they base themselves on the Strasser brothers (leaders
> of Hitler's brown shirts) and the Italian fascist Evola. The problem with
> Catron is that he seems to be either a supporter of these fascists or a
> racist who sympathises with them. The other problem is that Third Position
> fascist ideas and groups have been deliberately exploited by the State
(over
> here in the UK) to try to infiltrate and disrupt militant campaigns and to
> discredit them as being "fascist" - hence the possibility of FBI
> involvement - his eco-anarchy list is specifically for discussing the
> activities of amongst others the Justice Department (as in animal rights).
>
> I am not interested in a personal vendetta with Catron. I came across him
> purely because I am an anti-fascist interested in the activities of Third
> Position fascists. I think others involved in potential direct action
should
> be entitled to know that he has sympathy with these fascists. Personaly I
> think he is very suspect - but then as I said in one of those posts he
could
> just be naive in the extreme mixed with sympathy for these Third Position
> fascists.
>
> Those posts I suggest you look at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Anti-National-Anarchist/message/290
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Anti-National-Anarchist/message/291
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Anti-National-Anarchist/message/292
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Anti-National-Anarchist/message/293
>
> I believe the archive for ANA is public so you can read those posts
without
> joining the list.
>
> The eco-anarchy list can be found at
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eco-anarchy
>
> this list has its archive hidden - only catron has access to it. It is
> dominated by posts from the National Anarchist fascists.
>
> Finally, Wall Street - should it be targetted for protest? I certainly
have
> no objection to such but I would feel very uncomfortable discussing plans
> with someone like Catron.
>
> cheers
>
> Dave Parks
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stefan christoff" <stefanchristoff at hotmail.com>
> To: <davep at exeterleft.freeserve.co.uk>
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:33 AM
> Subject: wto list serve questions
>
>
> > hey there.
> > just want to know what's going on?
> > i have just subscribed to the wto shutting down wall street email list.
> > don't know if this is a personal vendetta or what? it seems that
shutting
> > down wall street would be a very powerful action. it does seem to fit
into
> a
> > fbi agenda however all action which give the main stream media an
> > opportunity to paint activist in a negative light do.
> > don't know just want some more information about this guy his history
and
> > such. i think that action it'self could be great just now worried about
> the
> > list serve.
> > thanks
> > stefan christoff
> > montreal
> >
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