>>> cberlet at igc.org 06/27/01 04:28PM >>>
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So, far the Dimitrov's and the
> Comintern's arguments are more persuasive to me than the one
> you cite below.
OK,
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CharlesB: What do you mean " ok "? I gave readings and actions on fascism post-Comintern report. Admit you were wrong
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what sectors of big business and finance captial supported the NSDAP during the social movement phase led ideologically by the Strasser brothers?
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CharlesB: I suppose you think this is a trick question
On the demogogic "socialism" of the Nazis, like its "left-wing" Strasser brothers , perhaps you didn't read Dimitrov carefully enough:
"What is the source of the influence of fascism over the masses? Fascism is able to attract the masses because it demagogically appeals to their most urgent needs and demands. Fascism not only inflames prejudices that are deeply ingrained in the masses, but also plays on the better sentiments of the masses, on their sense of justice and sometimes even on their revolutionary traditions. Why do the German fascists, those lackeys of the bourgeoisie and mortal enemies of socialism, represent themselves to the masses as "Socialists," and depict their accession to power as a "revolution"? Because they try to exploit the faith in revolution and the urge towards socialism that lives in the hearts of the mass of working people in Germany."
How's that for a "slogan" ?
More on Strasser brothers
Joseph Goebbels ... the Nationalsozialistischen Briefe (NS Letters) and other publications of the Strasser brothers, sharing their proletarian anti-capitalist outlook and call for ... www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/goebbels.html - 15k - Cached - Similar pages
Reading List: Radical Right in Post-War Britain ... Baker, D., 'AK Chesterton, the Strasser Brothers and the Politics of the National Front', Patterns of Prejudice, 1985, 19, pp. 255-258. ... www.kingston.ac.uk/~se_s411/radright/bib979.htm - 3k - Cached - Similar pages
Simon Wiesenthal Center Multimedia Learning Center Online - ... ... dsr dsb, The Strasser brothers headed the left wing of the Nazi Party. They believed that Nazism should destroy capitalism and nationalize the economy. While ... motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t055/t05597.html - 6k - Cached - Similar pages
Silent Night ... The next day his friend, François-Xavier Gruber, composed the music. The carol was first sung by the Strasser brothers, four youngsters from the Tyrol. www.virtualmuseum.ca/Exhibitions/Noel/angl/chan-sn.htm - 2k - Cached - Similar pages
PSN jan96 discussion:: Re: Weimar voting ... particularly well with the socialist element in the form of the Strasser brothers, and with what happened to them. See also 'The Mass Psychology of Fascism' by ... csf.colorado.edu/mail/psn/jan96/0050.html - 3k - Cached - Similar pages
PEACE: aug98 : Re: NO SUBSTITUTE FOR CLASS ANALYSIS ... research on the Nazis. Turns out that there > was a group of Nazis, led by the Strasser brothers and including > Josef Goebbels, who considered themselves "anti ... csf.colorado.edu/forums/peace/aug98/0010.html - 18k - Cached - Similar pages [ More results from csf.colorado.edu ]
Fraction Hexagone ... or the Left. Our principal influences,however, are Sorel, Blanqui, Jünger, the Strasser brothers,C.Manson,Turner, Unabomber, Che Guevara and Commander Marcos. ... www.geocities.com/Broadway/Alley/5449/fichier2.htm - 10k - Cached - Similar pages
SPLC: Intelligence Report -- Winter 2000 ... The ideas of Otto and Gregor Strasser, brothers who pushed a more "socialist" version of Hitler's National Socialism, are prominently featured here. (Black ... www.splcenter.org/intelligenceproject/ip-4m4.html - 16k - Cached - Similar pages
Untitled ... movement. Thus in Germany, national-bolshevism designated the movement led by the Strasser brothers, and represented the left wing of the NSDAP (Nazi Party). ... www.spunk.org/texts/groups/faf/sp000261.txt - 15k - Cached - Similar pages
Untitled ... Refereed Journal Articles. 'AK Chesterton, the Strasser Brothers and the Politics of the National Front.' Patterns of Prejudice 19:3, 1985. 'The Appeal of ... www.ntu.ac.
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> Literally, a few days before the Oklahoma City bombing, I had
> written a memo to the Detroit NAACP on the need for us to up
> our diligence against militia terrorism ( that coincidence
> even scared me).
What militia terrorism?
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CharlesB: The bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building
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There have been no acts of militia terrorism, and only a handful of arrests for what amounts largely to barroom bravado.
The OKC bombing was carried out by a neonazi. He was trying to punish the government and recruit out of the militia movement. Most of the people in the militia movement were not fascists much less neonazis.
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CharlesB: Oh most weren't , but some were ?
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Demonizing the (wretched) militia movement as fascist encouraged passage of the 1996 legislation that eroded civil liberties for all of us, but esecially Arabs, Arab-Americans, and Muslims, who have been hit by that law the hardest. Remember the Brown Scare? It provided the legal basis for what later became the Red Scare. The CP supported legislation against "fascists" that was later used against communists and a whole range of liberals and progressives. So much for the historical success of your theoretical base. Frankly, Trotsky (God forgive me...) was closer to an accurate analysis of fascism than the Comintern.
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CharlesB: What are they your pet little nice militias ? Lie down with dogs and you catch flees.
Remember Father Coghlin and the 1943 white race riot in Detroit ? Remember , the KKK and all those lynchings of Black people. ? Remember the KKK marching in D.C. in the 20's ? Remember Henry Ford with a picture of Hitler on his office wall ?
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Repeating a 70-year-old slogan over and over again is not debate. Dimitrov want a cracker?
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CB: Can't you think up any other insults ? Perhaps you are having trouble noticing all the other things I said in response to what you said, and are fixated on the first line or something. but Dimitrov and I said quite a bit more than what you call a slogan, which was a definition as was being discussed on the thread.
:-)
-Chip
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CharlesB: Note five to ten paragraphs more of discussion beyond and in elaboration of initial definition given. That's "definition" as in "defining fascism".